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	<title>Comments on: BART Police Arrest Journalists, Cite KGO, KTVU at BART Protest. Homeland Security Present</title>
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		<title>By: gannonguckert</title>
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		<dc:creator>gannonguckert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 01:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?

&quot;continued&quot; since when?

You&#039;re equating the Gestapo with 1960&#039;s (West) German police?

Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
<p>&#8220;continued&#8221; since when?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re equating the Gestapo with 1960&#8242;s (West) German police?</p>
<p>Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: laurastrand</title>
		<link>http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2011/09/08/bart-police-arrest-journalists-cite-kgo-ktvu-at-bart-protest-homeland-security-present/#comment-23909</link>
		<dc:creator>laurastrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 23:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The revolution WILL NOT be televised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The revolution WILL NOT be televised.</p>
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		<title>By: yellowsnapdragon</title>
		<link>http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2011/09/08/bart-police-arrest-journalists-cite-kgo-ktvu-at-bart-protest-homeland-security-present/#comment-23908</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowsnapdragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: ottogrendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottogrendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or how brutal police tactics continued in Germany in the &#039;60s after the government stepped all over the country&#039;s new post-war constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or how brutal police tactics continued in Germany in the &#8217;60s after the government stepped all over the country&#8217;s new post-war constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: ottogrendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottogrendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How can the DHS possibly justify its pesence at so small an action?&quot;

They want the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How can the DHS possibly justify its pesence at so small an action?&#8221;</p>
<p>They want the practice.</p>
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		<title>By: darkcycle</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkcycle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harsh treatment for protestors is the new official policy. This is Obama&#039;s policy Nationally, not just the SFPD. 
The protests in the Eurozone and the Arab World are coming here, and the O-fascist doesn&#039;t want large public spectacles....at all. Holding the Tar sands protestors on federal orders was the mildest sort of thing we can expect. Batons and crushing police assaults are the new normal. Here&#039;s a clue...if we had any sense at all, we&#039;d be approaching these protests like the North Korean Youths do every September. Bricks, Masks, and Molotov cocktails. 
Rolling over and be beaten while my wrists are being handcuffed, only to be ignored by the MSM isn&#039;t my style. We should be prepared for clashes with this new police state. Otherwise they will be PAINFULLY one sided.  Let&#039;s not all freak out and succumb to &quot;normalcy bias&quot;, if this were &quot;normal&quot; times I&#039;d have never suggested such a thing. But the time for saying &quot;no more&quot; is gone. It&#039;s time to push BACK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harsh treatment for protestors is the new official policy. This is Obama&#8217;s policy Nationally, not just the SFPD.<br />
The protests in the Eurozone and the Arab World are coming here, and the O-fascist doesn&#8217;t want large public spectacles&#8230;.at all. Holding the Tar sands protestors on federal orders was the mildest sort of thing we can expect. Batons and crushing police assaults are the new normal. Here&#8217;s a clue&#8230;if we had any sense at all, we&#8217;d be approaching these protests like the North Korean Youths do every September. Bricks, Masks, and Molotov cocktails.<br />
Rolling over and be beaten while my wrists are being handcuffed, only to be ignored by the MSM isn&#8217;t my style. We should be prepared for clashes with this new police state. Otherwise they will be PAINFULLY one sided.  Let&#8217;s not all freak out and succumb to &#8220;normalcy bias&#8221;, if this were &#8220;normal&#8221; times I&#8217;d have never suggested such a thing. But the time for saying &#8220;no more&#8221; is gone. It&#8217;s time to push BACK.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Justice No BART has much more aggressive protest techniques compared to Anonymous, NJNB are direct action, hardcore. Their protest July 11 included someone climbing on a train, and they shut down BART services that day for a couple hours. Since then, BART and the SFPD have gotten more forceful with protesters and journalists (note surrounding protesters then telling them to leave, while the protesters were in fact  in a free speech area).

However, NJNB is annoying the BART riders, which may not be the best tactic. Remains to be seen.  Alienating one&#039;s base is not a good thing, Obama. 

I feel safer with some security on platforms and in stations. But for goodness sakes, armed with tasers and pepper spray maybe and &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; guns. Or train them in Krav Maga! The reality is that police don&#039;t have to macho overbearing goon squad members to do a good job, but sadly that&#039;s what has happened (google Fullerton police beating and for Anonymous&#039; response, OpFullerton)

I will be in SF on Monday covering the OpBART-5 with a the number of the National Lawyers Guild on my arm in indelible ink, a video camera and FDL business cards. Expect me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Justice No BART has much more aggressive protest techniques compared to Anonymous, NJNB are direct action, hardcore. Their protest July 11 included someone climbing on a train, and they shut down BART services that day for a couple hours. Since then, BART and the SFPD have gotten more forceful with protesters and journalists (note surrounding protesters then telling them to leave, while the protesters were in fact  in a free speech area).</p>
<p>However, NJNB is annoying the BART riders, which may not be the best tactic. Remains to be seen.  Alienating one&#8217;s base is not a good thing, Obama. </p>
<p>I feel safer with some security on platforms and in stations. But for goodness sakes, armed with tasers and pepper spray maybe and <strong>not</strong> guns. Or train them in Krav Maga! The reality is that police don&#8217;t have to macho overbearing goon squad members to do a good job, but sadly that&#8217;s what has happened (google Fullerton police beating and for Anonymous&#8217; response, OpFullerton)</p>
<p>I will be in SF on Monday covering the OpBART-5 with a the number of the National Lawyers Guild on my arm in indelible ink, a video camera and FDL business cards. Expect me.</p>
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		<title>By: Denn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss the good old days when Orwell was merely a warning, not a manual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss the good old days when Orwell was merely a warning, not a manual.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ministry of Truth.  I like that.  They&#039;ll probably have their own cable channel before we know it.  Wait:  They already have three.  I stand corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ministry of Truth.  I like that.  They&#8217;ll probably have their own cable channel before we know it.  Wait:  They already have three.  I stand corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2011/09/08/bart-police-arrest-journalists-cite-kgo-ktvu-at-bart-protest-homeland-security-present/#comment-23901</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police state.</p>
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