Conflict at Fox over Birtherism

Glenn Beck comments on the new passport form, which may go into effect for people who don’t have birth certificates:

Why don’t you just put nipple clamps on Americans over this?

Actually, the proposed “biographical form” is intended for those people who are unable to provide the usual proof of citizenship required for a US passport – namely, a birth certificate, consular report of birth abroad or naturalization certificate.

Glenn, do you see anything about “certificate of live birth” on there? Nooooo.

Glenn, can’t you see this is an effort on your side’s part to corral Obama? To catch him and prove he is not a US citizen?

And as your compatriot Monica Crowley points out, the birther movement has traction because, well, Obama does “un-American” things that give the impression he is not “one of us.”

130 Responses to "Conflict at Fox over Birtherism"
Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:02 pm 1

OMG, IT JUST GOT BETTER! Shep Smith said

Fox News can confirm that the President Of The United States is a citizen of the United States, period

Fox News is like watching the Waltons smoke PCP. Only meaner.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:03 pm 2

And here I thought it might be the color of his skin that made them think he is not “one of us.” Silly me.


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:03 pm 3

lisa!


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:04 pm 4

And the Waltons didn’t have tin foil cousin Glennbeck over very often for dinner.

O’Reilly seems REASONABLE. Is Rupert Murdoch descending into Jerry Springer-field? Maurey-ville?


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:06 pm 5
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 4

I think Springer and Maury might actually be a step up for Rupert.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:08 pm 6

They are crazy crazy crazy

Dysfunctional. Or maybe the commentators don’t have an “agenda” they just make stuff up.

Shep is the only sane person there.


Peterr | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:09 pm 7
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 1

“G’nite, Shep-boy.”

“G’nite, Moni’.”

“G’nite, Uncle Rupert.”


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:10 pm 8
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 1

To paraphrase Carville:

If you drag a $1,000 bill through a Fox production studio, you never know what you’ll come up with…


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:10 pm 9
In response to Peterr @ 7

Sort of like the Waltons on crank.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:10 pm 10

Birtherism is racism.

Period.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:11 pm 11
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 8

Or what you might catch.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:11 pm 12
In response to Margaret @ 10

Now there you go with all that nasty liberal truth and facts and stuff.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:12 pm 13
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 6

Shep is in this month’s print version of OUT Magazine as one of the Power 50.

Lemme see if it’s the same for the online version.


masaccio | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:12 pm 14

I wonder if the engineers and the lighting people are crazy right-wingers too. Obviously they have tech skills, so they can’t be as stupid as, say, the morning crew on the nutcase network.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:13 pm 16

In other news, my dude roommate ate my ice cream and didnt replace it and I heard the rat trap go off in the attic.

Scurry, scurry, scurry SNAP.

Which is better than

scurry, scurry snap eeeeek thud thud thud eeek thud thud thud thud eeek.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:14 pm 17

Not that my roommate is involved int he rat trap in anyway; nor am I thnking of putting a rat trap in the freezer ot teach him a lesson.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:14 pm 18
In response to DrDick @ 12

Hey, somebody’s gotta do it so why not a card carrying member of the professional left? Wish it paid better though…


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:15 pm 19
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 17

Darn! I was kinda hoping for the latter.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:15 pm 20
In response to masaccio @ 14

To be fair, I suspect that the tech crew are often the smartest people on a nightly (and especially a morning) newscast.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:16 pm 21

When Rupert Murdoch dies, there’s going to be a huge squabble over which circle of Hell gets him.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:17 pm 22
In response to Margaret @ 19

The thought crossed my mind as well.


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:17 pm 23
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 21

i suspect they will create one just for him… as an example to others not to follow in his footsteps


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:17 pm 24
In response to DrDick @ 22

Satan might have to retire and turn over the reins.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:18 pm 25
In response to DrDick @ 24

Erk! That was to EDP at 21


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:18 pm 26
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 21

You are so wrong! 9th wins, hands down


Peterr | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:19 pm 27
In response to Suzanne @ 23

“Mr. Murdoch, sir, your accommodations are all ready for you. As you requested, they are VERY exclusive . . .”


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:19 pm 28
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 13

When did Shep come out? i know he was mentioned in the movie Outrage as being closeted.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:19 pm 29
In response to Margaret @ 18

You mean you still aren’t getting your quarterly checks from Soros?


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:20 pm 30
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 28

Glad he did, but wow, the cognitive dissonance he must go through. Ditto Log Cabiners.


demi | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:20 pm 31

Nipple clamps? Ooooooh, teh Glenn is kinky. Ew, I think.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:21 pm 32
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 29

That senile old goat must be sending it to someone else.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:21 pm 33
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 28

Not certain that he actually has. Just saying about the OUT article. Hmmm!


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:22 pm 34
In response to demi @ 31

Yep. Between him and Mr. Loofah, FOX is ready to become the bordello of kinky.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:23 pm 35
In response to Margaret @ 19

Margaret, after 5 yrs of asking him to not leave his window open when he left (safety/security), i would say maybe 75+ times, I came home and found window open. So i took his lap top off his desk, put it under the bed, popped the window screen, closed his door and waited for him to come home…


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:24 pm 36
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 28

I really don’t understand why people would stay in the closet in this day and age. Seems to me like a whole lotta unnecessary stress and worry.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:25 pm 37
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 35

I love it! I did that with my room mate’s guitar in the Navy after said room mate left the door unlocked for the one hundredth time.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:27 pm 38
In response to Margaret @ 36

As a straight woman I am unqualified to answer that. But I am sure there are lots of reasons and the ones that can be resolved by changing society should be.


demi | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:29 pm 39
In response to Margaret @ 34

Did someone say bordello? That’s a paying gig, right?


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:30 pm 40
In response to demi @ 31

Yeah, that told me more about Glenn Beck’s sex life than I ever really wanted to know. No, scratch that…it makes it sound like there was anything about Beck’s sex life that I did want to know.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:30 pm 41
In response to Margaret @ 36

True, but it is a complicated issue. One of my Ph.D. students is looking at closeted MSM in Montana and how they construct their identities, as well as how they manage to live double lives, often in tiny towns.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:33 pm 42
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 38

Well, as might surprise people [snark!], I have a pretty strong opinion about this subject:

LGBT 1st Commandment: Honor Thyself and thy Brothers and Sisters – No One Else Will If You Don’t.


demi | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:34 pm 43
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 40

Let’s just say, He’s not my type. Can I say Ewwww, again?


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:34 pm 44
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 29

mine come from the german psychiatric pharmaceutical combine, according to the folks i used to protest. supposedly the people in cars who honked in support were also paid by the gppc!


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:36 pm 45
In response to Suzanne @ 23

EvilDrPuma | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:39 pm 46
In response to demi @ 43

I think it’s safe to say that Glenn Beck is no one’s type around here.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:40 pm 47
In response to DrDick @ 41

Yeah, I understand as well as anybody how complicated an issue and personal a decision it can be. On the other hand, it’s the most liberating thing in the world, apart from being released from Guantanimo Bay I presume.


demi | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:42 pm 48
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 46

Yeah, I guess that was a softball.


mzchief | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:42 pm 49
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 16

{ LOL } Sounds like Wednesday and Pugsley Addam merely playing in the attic.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:43 pm 50
In response to Margaret @ 47

That’s so true. Every little secret chink is a powerhook for somebody else.

Out = Free. It’s so odd to me that people find a completely revealed self and lust for equality unAmerican; in some ways, it’s the most American a person could be.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:44 pm 51
In response to Margaret @ 47

Interestingly, talking to her has often had a similar effect on many of the men she has interviewed and one even came out to his wife afterward. She is interviewing men all over the state and many live in difficult situations in small, conservative towns far from any larger town or city. Not all of them self-identify as LGBT either, just that they occasionally like to have sex with men.


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:46 pm 52
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 50

Yep.


demi | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:47 pm 53

This is above my pay grade, so I’ll say Ta for now.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:47 pm 54
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 50

It’s so odd to me that people find a completely revealed self and lust for equality unAmerican; in some ways, it’s the most American a person could be.

Very well put.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:49 pm 55
In response to demi @ 53

Night Demi


mzchief | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:49 pm 56
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 45

{ LMAO } Love the graphic.


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:49 pm 57

g’nite demi


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:49 pm 58
In response to Margaret @ 54

Fercryingoutloud people elected JESSE VENTURA a Governor! *snicker*


DrDick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:49 pm 59
In response to demi @ 53

Night. Think I will toddle off as well. Busy week ahead still, including a Ph.D. dissertation proposal defense for the student I mentioned. Take care all.


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:50 pm 60

g’nite dr dick


mzchief | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:50 pm 61

G’nite demi.


demi | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:51 pm 62

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, thanks, people.


mzchief | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:51 pm 63

G’niters DrDick.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:52 pm 64
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 50

Right on! I am reading a fascinating series of interviews Hollywood Gays (found it used) and how Louis B Mayer and other execs brutally closeted their stars.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:52 pm 65
In response to DrDick @ 59

Night DrD


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:53 pm 66
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 64

It was a small handful of religious nutters who made a lot of noise and the studios caved to “morals”


demi | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:53 pm 67
In response to DrDick @ 59

You’re a good ‘un, Dick.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:55 pm 68
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 66

That was then; but today, there are even people who regularly comment here at FDL that have let it slip that they think LGBT is a choice.

To them as always I say “Feh.”


sfmikey | Tuesday April 26, 2011 08:58 pm 69

If his mother was American, wouldn’t that entitle him to American citizenship no matter where he was born on the face of the planet?

This issue is not gonna push Obama from offie, so why do some still pursue it?


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:01 pm 70
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 68

I’ve run across that. To them I always say yeah, I woke up one morning bored to death and wondered to myself how I could complicate my life….


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:02 pm 71
In response to sfmikey @ 69

If his mother was American, wouldn’t that entitle him to American citizenship no matter where he was born on the face of the planet?

Apparently that only applies of you’re John McCain.


marymccurnin | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:02 pm 72

What about Old Man “Get Off My Lawn” McCain. He wasn’t born in the US of A.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:04 pm 73
In response to marymccurnin @ 72

really? whoa….


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:05 pm 74

Isnt a naval base US territory? or do peopel look the other way cuz he is old REPUBLICAN guy


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:08 pm 75

I suppose the salient part that the birthers are hanging their hats on is:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

I really don’t know where they get the whole “born on American soil” thing since it clearly doesn’t say that anywhere.


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:08 pm 76
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 74

hawaii was considered to be a us territory at the time so….


marymccurnin | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:09 pm 77
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 74

He is a citizen but not born here. I don’t know what the rationale was. We know it wasn’t cause he was such a nice guy.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:10 pm 78
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 74

It’s a moot point because the qualifications for president as set forth in the Constitution clearly don’t require one to be born in US territory.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:10 pm 79

My girl roommate just pointed out that the birthers and the Trig-heads are equaly as nuts, and if Obama is smart enough to be born in Kenya and fake his way into the presidency, then he is probably more qualified for the job than a woman who pretended she wasnt pregnant.


Adam503 | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:11 pm 80

Hey, what did the Waltons ever do to deserve a comparison to Fox

JohnBoy is probably still working three jobs to buy pads for writing.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:11 pm 81
In response to Suzanne @ 76

NOT true! Hawaii was made a state in 1959 and Obama was born in 1961


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:11 pm 82
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 79

i like the way she thinks… her conclusion is hard to argue against :)


sfmikey | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:12 pm 83

I’ve thought the LGBT lifestyle choice was a fundamental choice. A celebration of human freedom. We’re not ‘things,’ after all, as existentialists love to point out; at any moment, we have the ability to freely project ourselves and live authentically.

This argument always gets me into trouble. Trouble I don’t think is deserved, since the argument for volition has merits, I think. (I’ve always thought to say, “Well, I didn’t choose to be this way, you know,” means one would choose otherwise given a choice. Why? It’s almost an admission of shame on a certain level, eh? I’m also uncomfortable with determinism.)


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:12 pm 84
In response to Margaret @ 81

whoops…. thanks for the correction… i was thinking it was the early 60′s after he was born


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:13 pm 85
In response to Adam503 @ 80

LOL. Big and friendly, you welcome them into your home and feel you know ‘em. Wise folksy, salt of the earth. But the Fox version is BONKERS


sfmikey | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:14 pm 86
In response to sfmikey @ 83

This post got cut off. So please ignore….


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:17 pm 87
In response to sfmikey @ 83

It’s too late to get into an argument about this but you’re argument is so wrong it’s not funny. I chose to come out of the closet but I never chose to feel like I do. For me staying in the closet meant misery by being somebody I wasn’t but coming out meant misery because people around me did shit like disown me, discriminate against me and in a couple of cases, try to kill me. maybe it was all wonderful and smooth sailing for you but here’s a news flash: It doesn’t work that way for the majority of us.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:17 pm 88
In response to sfmikey @ 83

How one lives is a choice. What one fundamentally is is not a choice.

There’s no shame in that, and any determinism happens at conception. I don’t know why that is so difficult to understand.

Does a person choose brown eyes, and would they choose a different eye color? doesn’t ring true to me.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:19 pm 89
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 88

How one lives is a choice. What one fundamentally is is not a choice

I wish I could be that concise. Oh well, as I said, it’s late. Oya.


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:21 pm 90

g’nite margaret


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:22 pm 91
In response to Margaret @ 89

You did say that before. To flat at A-blog.

Night-night!


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:23 pm 92

Kelly, Margaret I love you both and so appreciate you being regulars here and saying it like it is.


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:25 pm 93
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 88

Does a person choose brown eyes, and would they choose a different eye color?

Are mirrored irises an option? That would be my choice.


Margaret | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:26 pm 94
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 91

Did I? No wonder it sounded so familiar! I may be sleepier than I thought. Oya again. :)


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:26 pm 95
In response to ratfood @ 93

Heh. I want inverted pupil slits, you know, to go up and down. And purple.


marymccurnin | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:27 pm 96
In response to ratfood @ 93

Hey rf!


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:29 pm 97
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 95

SD posted a link to a pic of the latest member of his troop… with striking GOLD eyes. Too cool for school.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:29 pm 98
In response to Margaret @ 94

It was the ’06 ENDA fight over there. I flailed for words arguing with some clown. You turned it into the first part of my #88.


marymccurnin | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:29 pm 99

Looks like Mother Nature is at it again. The MS River is due to crest at 52 ft on May 11th or so. The last time it did that was in 1937.


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:31 pm 100
In response to Margaret @ 81

18 days after me, the damned whippersnapper.


sfmikey | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:32 pm 101
In response to Margaret @ 87

Indeed, I wish the first part of my post didn’t get lost in cyberspace. I don’t think my position about human transcendence–versus the facticity Kelly mentions, such as eye color–is wrong, and certainly not meant to be funny. If we accept that ‘existence precedes essence,’ the fundamental point of existentialism, then there is a celebration of authenticity in human freedom, and the ability to project, as we are not things-in-themselves but beings-for-ourselves.

Ah, but this is a big topic…and as I mentioned, it always gets me in trouble. Gee, I hope this post makes it.


CTuttle | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:32 pm 102
In response to Suzanne @ 76

Not so…! Hawaii was already the 50th State, we were admitted in ’59 and he was born in ’60…! And yes, military posts are considered American soil…! ;-)


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:33 pm 103
In response to marymccurnin @ 96

Hi Mary!


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:35 pm 104
In response to CTuttle @ 102

He was born in ’60 and AGAIN in ’61? No wonder he’s anti-labor.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:38 pm 105
In response to sfmikey @ 101

Understood. But if you begin from the point that orientation proceeds from expression rather than from existence, that is where we differ.

Celibacy is a choice. Orientation is not. That should clear this up quickly.


CTuttle | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:38 pm 106
In response to ratfood @ 104

*heh* My bad…! ;-)


marymccurnin | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:39 pm 107
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 105

er….Celbacy in not always a choice.


mzchief | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:40 pm 108
In response to Margaret @ 87

I hear you. It doesn’t take much to move from hate to violence (today’s disturbing example in southeast Ohio [shudder], hat tip sadlyyes).


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:42 pm 109
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 105

Is it generally conceded that bisexual people tend to have a stronger orientation to one gender over the other? I’m not staking an opinion, just curious regarding the general consensus.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:43 pm 110
In response to marymccurnin @ 107

Well…OK.

My point remains; orientation is part of essence, not expression.


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:44 pm 111
In response to marymccurnin @ 107

er….Celbacy in not always a choice.

Ouch! I’m right here, y’know… :)


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:44 pm 112
In response to ratfood @ 109

Dunno. All the bi-guys I ever slept with could never make up their minds, but we never cared.


4cdave | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:44 pm 113

The good news is that my FDL card arrived! Yay!

The bad news is that it was caught in the half-gallon of vomit my dog deposited in the front seat this afternoon. I was starting to think it would be faster to just drill a hole in the floorboards to let it out…


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:45 pm 114
In response to Margaret @ 89

Nighters! Scritches behind the ear to Neko.


sfmikey | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:46 pm 115
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 105

Do you think your desire is grounded in some agency other than yourself? Such as DNA, or the stars? I think it is fundamentally a human freedom, and we make a choice at every moment.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:46 pm 116
In response to 4cdave @ 113

Icky dog barf, hope pooch is okay.


marymccurnin | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:48 pm 117
In response to sfmikey @ 115

I choose not to believe that.


mzchief | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:48 pm 118

G’niters Margaret.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:50 pm 119
In response to sfmikey @ 115

Is preferring strawberries to pears a choice? Is despising anything salty a choice?


4cdave | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:51 pm 120

On the subject of birtherism, this is another example of our deranged fellow citizens trying to create reality by the shear force of their beliefs, while condemning reality as an evil conspiracy discriminating against their beliefs.

You see, they want the law to say that you are only an American if your father was a white American. The legal naturalization process can be controlled by white Americans. The illegals can be shot from helicopters. And if your father wasn’t a white American, you aren’t American. Sort of like if your grandfather couldn’t vote neither can you.

They are completely terrified of, well, pretty much everything, but specifically in this case terrified of not being the majority race. They know how they treat minorities, so they expect to be lynched the second the scary brown-skinned-people get the chance.


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:52 pm 121
In response to sfmikey @ 115

I’d say Desire wasn’t quite as good as Blood on the Tracks but lots better than born-again Bob.


sfmikey | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:53 pm 122
In response to marymccurnin @ 117

That is your freedom, and your choice. Still, we are not essentially ‘things.’ Existentially speaking, we are ‘no-things.’ Again, existence precedes essence.


4cdave | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:54 pm 123
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 116

Pooch is OK. The mail is not. It is currently quarantined in a zip lock until I come up with some clever ideas.


ratfood | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:55 pm 124

Nice to see everyone. Powering down now, wishing a splendid evening to all.


sfmikey | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:57 pm 125

Kelly,

Yes, preferring strawberries to pears (at this time, this moment) is exactly a choice. It can always change, can’t it? At any time. I once hated avocado; can you believe that? I love it now. But tomorrow is another day…and my night grows short. It’s been a fun discussion. Thanks!


Suzanne | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:58 pm 126

g’nite ratty and sfmikey


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday April 26, 2011 09:59 pm 127
In response to sfmikey @ 122

Well go right ahead and choose not to get cancer, despite your genetic predisposition to it.

Choose not to be bald, despite the gene your ancestors passed to you. Choose not to have perfect pitch. Choose not to have bad teeth. Choose all kinds of things.

All the above impact a humans life, and they are born with them.


marymccurnin | Tuesday April 26, 2011 10:00 pm 128
In response to sfmikey @ 122

What came first the “no-things” or the zygote?


mzchief | Tuesday April 26, 2011 10:00 pm 129
In response to ratfood @ 124

Niters ratfood.


4cdave | Tuesday April 26, 2011 10:08 pm 130

Huh. I thought I was the only one that didn’t like avocados.


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