Late Night: God Gooses Glenn Beck


Glenn Beck thinks God gave him a flyover at his Beckstalnacht rally Saturday in Washington DC. With a flock of geese. Because Glenn Beck couldn’t get a military flyover. Or someone in uniform to present the flag, thank god/s:

I think it was God’s flyover. It was not supposed to happen. We couldn’t get a flyover. We couldn’t even get anybody dressed in a military uniform to present the flag. We tried for almost a year. We couldn’t get it done. Thank God, we had our flyover.

Beck must be confused about “wasn’t supposed to happen.” Geese fly in flocks and there are resident geese in DC.  No doubt, some were a little disrupted by the crowds on Saturday and so they took to the air. That aside, the use of augury and signs from nature to indicate a message from God/s is off limits for Christians and especially Mormons like Beck who would like the rest of us to forget about the golden salamander, golden tablets and magic glasses.

In Roman augury, birds flying from behind you is a bad sign. The birds were flying from behind the audience at Beck. Good for Beck, bad for his followers. But the flock of Canadian geese–the same species that caused the US Airways crash into the Hudson–veered to Beck’s left side. Bad omen.

If Beck was going to go retro-pagan and divine signs from God in the movement of birds, he really should have used the birds made for it. However, some works of augury say the birds that appear should be used to see which god is answering the question. So let’s give that a try:

Geese are sacred to Aphrodite. Aphrodite is Venus in Roman mythology. Venus the planet was ruled by her, and certain Christian sects came to associate the planet with Lucifer.

But let’s modernize our augury. Colloquially, God was goosing Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck is a silly goose. Honk if you think Glenn Beck is nuts….Surely you have some interpretation of this event.

(photo: Sakurako Kitsa on Flickr)

154 Responses to "Late Night: God Gooses Glenn Beck"
Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:03 pm 1

Hey hey! I just had a great meal base don feral and local honey!


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:04 pm 2

I wish the geese had dropped a few choice pieces as they flew over.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:04 pm 3

Hey, Lisa.

What’s the golden salamander thingy?


newtonusr | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:06 pm 4

Lisa!
I am just plain out of expletives for this mess.
So I say with all sincerity,”Let Beck’s studio be full of well-fed birds”.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:06 pm 5

Lisa,

I don’t need any auguries to know that Beck is bat-s*** crazy. A bat-s*** crazy opportunist.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:06 pm 6

Lisa!
I can only conclude that the gees had really bad aim. Nothing quite as disgusting (or appropriate in this case) as fresh goose poop.


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:07 pm 7

honk!


edve | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:07 pm 8

Wait Lisa…let me roll out my dried bones, newt eyes, and wormwood shavings…I think I am getting a sign…oh yes I can see Beck getting the goose from my front porch…it’s…it’s….Sarah…yes it’s Sarah…Beck is OK…all is well…you betcha!

Honk! Honk!


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:08 pm 9

Beck won’t like this:

FRBSF Economic Letter

The Effect of Immigrants on U.S. Employment and Productivity
By Giovanni Peri

The effects of immigration on the total output and income of the U.S. economy can be studied by comparing output per worker and employment in states that have had large immigrant inflows with data from states that have few new foreign-born workers. Statistical analysis of state-level data shows that immigrants expand the economy’s productive capacity by stimulating investment and promoting specialization. This produces efficiency gains and boosts income per worker. At the same time, evidence is scant that immigrants diminish the employment opportunities of U.S.-born workers.

Sort of shoots holes in the illegal immigration rants of Beck and buddies.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:08 pm 10
In response to Suzanne @ 7

Hey Suzanne. After a week, I can say that it’s twoo, it’s twoo.

Once you go Mac, you won’t go back.


Prairie Sunshine | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:10 pm 11

Remember the magic underwear, too.

Whitestock is Beck moving into Father Coughlin/John Hagee territory.
Indeed, reporting that Hagee was there arm-in-arm with his hatemonger in arms.

First they came for the….

Oh the messianic hate of the faux propheteers, how it does boil over.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:10 pm 12
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 3

A sacred salamander allegedly showed Smith the plates on whhc th eBook of Mormon was written


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:10 pm 13
In response to DrDick @ 6

I can say with some measure of authority that fresh Sandhill Crane poop gives goose crap a run for its money on the disgusting thing.

How are things at UMontana?


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:10 pm 14
In response to DrDick @ 6

Those dirty f’ing Canucks! Close the northern border now!!


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:12 pm 15
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 10

i’m still a pc dinosaur…. ya gotta remember i was an r until 2 years ago — takes me a while to catch up and adapt


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:12 pm 16

I suspect that Beck had to cover his ass for making that “There’s gonna be a MIRACLE!!!” forecast, and the poor geese were in the right place at the right time. Pure cynical opportunism by a demagogue with a sick agenda.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:12 pm 17
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 12

Huh. I don’t recall that in Brodie. On the other hand, it’s been years since I read No Man Knows My History.

But you’re absolutely right that the last thing the LDS missionaries want to talk about is the roots of their religion.


Margaret | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:13 pm 18

Ugh. More Glenn Beck. Goodnight.


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:13 pm 19
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 16

if it wasn’t geese, it wudda been a gust of wind or anything else he could point to as a sign


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:13 pm 20

I thought you were a Mac user…


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:13 pm 21
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 13

So far so good. All my classes are full and I have met with all but one of them. Mother Nature seems to have canceled summer here on account of insufficient enthusiasm. Really doesn’t seem fair, given that it was so late getting here in the first place.

How’s things in the sunny south land?


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:13 pm 22
In response to AZ Matt @ 14

Eee-Leee-geeese!


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:14 pm 23
In response to Margaret @ 18

Margaret,

Read Bozo-the-Clown where ever you see the letters B-E-C-K. But if you’re headed to do something useful (like sleeping) anyway, good night.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:15 pm 24
In response to AZ Matt @ 9

It won’t stop them. Facts are the last thing their agenda wants.


edve | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:15 pm 25
In response to Suzanne @ 15

I think you have adapted pretty damn well Suz…you of the flying fingers on the YouTubz and all!!!


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:17 pm 26
In response to Suzanne @ 19

A genuine miracle would be a speechless Glenn Beck.


TheLurkingMod | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:17 pm 27
In response to edve @ 25

PC, or Mac, or two tin cans tied together – Suzanne smokes.


edve | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:17 pm 28

For Beck…a fart in a good headwind is a sign!


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:17 pm 29
In response to DrDick @ 21

I have 12 graduate students in my prob theory class. Both my undergrad intro courses are full, one has students hanging from the light fixtures.

Ya think the economy is for crap or something?

We’re getting the summer you didn’t get. I’d be happy to trade a chunk of this heat for some of your coolth, provided we do it before the end of September.


temptingfate | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:17 pm 30

Up in this part of the country we see geese flying and, of course, eating and raising new geese each year. They fly, they eat, they pass the unused food out and they flock together. Had Beck been outside more than once in his life he might have noticed that life goes on and doesn’t really pay attention to him or his speechifying. Contrary to his impression, he’s not the center of the universe and geese actually fly all over the country without actually sending messages from the creator to those that get to see them.

Oh, and finding a penny on the street does not mean that the master of the universe and billions of stars and planets took time out because it wanted you to be rich.


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:19 pm 31

The wingers now have another teabagger in a senate contest, Murkowski has conceded to Miller.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:20 pm 32
In response to DrDick @ 21

I am going to Turkey on Thursday!


ThingsComeUndone | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:21 pm 33

Burn the Witch he reads the signs and traffics with the Devil!


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:21 pm 34

Instead of “Urim and Thummim” for the name of my stones, pretend I called them “Dumb-im and Dumber-im” and they TOTALLY said what a translation of the Lord Of The Universe wrote.

You know what it would say?

“You have the right to remain silent. That’s it.”


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:21 pm 35
In response to AZ Matt @ 31

Good; from what I understand, Miller has the better chance to get his ass kicked.


ThingsComeUndone | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:22 pm 36
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 32

I hate you your going to get great food…I’m so jealous!


ThingsComeUndone | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:22 pm 37

Suffer not a Witch to live!


nahant | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:22 pm 38

Honk Honk Honk Honk! Beck is Goosed… Greek style..


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:23 pm 39
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 29

I hear you on the heat thingee (I do not miss Oklahoma summers one little bit). I have 15 in my theory seminar, 25 in my upper division history of theory class, 30 in my online class, and my usual 230 in Intro. This is my light semester.


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:23 pm 40
In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 36

I get to have Key Lime pie in a little bit! ;->


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:23 pm 41
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 32

Hope you don’t lose your luggage…Angst in Ankara…


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:24 pm 42
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 32

Looking for a little Turkish Delight?


Funnydiva2002 | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:24 pm 43

Nice post, Lisa.
Evenin’ Pups, Lurk.

Hope all y’all saw this from Cocktail Hag today. Bet he didn’t even need the sacred salamander, magic spectacles, etc!

FunnyD
at least I can blog-pimp on-topic!


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:25 pm 44
In response to DrDick @ 39

I had no problem filling up my human and animal sacrifice class. I wonder what that says about the job market….


temptingfate | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:25 pm 45
In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 33

The first test is the dunking pond. If he floats, and he’s definitely fat enough to float, then we can proceed with the burning. Got to be reasonable in these matters.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:26 pm 46

Suz,

Are you doing LLN tonight?


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:26 pm 47

I hope teh geese fly over and crap on Beck’s new news website, The Blaze.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:27 pm 48
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 44

Probably about the same as the fact that my colleague’s “Drugs and Society” class is full every semester.


ThingsComeUndone | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:27 pm 49
In response to temptingfate @ 45

Fine lets protect Beck with Liberal legal mumbo jombo:)


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:27 pm 50
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 41

Not going to Ankara, Ephesus and Istanbul, seeing U2 at Atarurk Stadium


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:28 pm 51
In response to Funnydiva2002 @ 43

funny!!! long time no see your fonts


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:28 pm 52
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 44

More people are becoming Druids?


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:28 pm 53
In response to Funnydiva2002 @ 43

Hey, FunnyD! LTNS. How are ya?


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:28 pm 54
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 44

Also you might want to watch your back, especially at test and final grade time.


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:28 pm 55
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 46

yup — i host lln tue through sat nites.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:29 pm 56
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 44

Does that class have a lab component?


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:30 pm 57
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 56

LOL! I would hate to try to run that one past the IRB.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:31 pm 58
In response to Suzanne @ 55

I got a request for ya, then, in honor of BHO’s speech tonight.

If you can find Gordon Lightfoot doing The Patriot’s Dream, I think it would be perfectly appropriate fare.


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:33 pm 59
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 56

Ya, do the students have to bring their own sheep?


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:33 pm 60
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 58

iirc there are covers of that song on utube but not gordon


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:33 pm 61

The geese were there to remind about goose-stepping.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:34 pm 62
In response to DrDick @ 54

True, I don’t want the student to exceed the teacher, do I?


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:34 pm 63
In response to DrDick @ 57

Overheard in the Student Union a couple of years ago:

“Man, I just got my grad check back and I gotta take a lab science to graduate.”

“Dude, that’s like Freshman years stuff. How’d you screw up?”

“I thought CommHealth 323 counted, man.”

CommHealth 323 is Human Sexuality. I had to look it up — we don’t have an undergrad program in my gang.


donbacon | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:34 pm 64

Hey, when you see a vee of geese flying over, one side is always longer than the other. Do you know why?


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:35 pm 65

Rats.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:36 pm 66
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 63

Fave quote of the 90s:

“I’m taking out another student loan to pay for my tattoo.”


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:36 pm 67

I’m trying to figure out how the Ohno bird might fit into this. The Ohno bird has giant balls and short little legs. Every time he comes in for a landing a cries, “Oh no! Oh no!”

True story.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:36 pm 68
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 56

That’s the first joke I usually make during the semester. :-)


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:36 pm 69
In response to donbacon @ 64

If my memory is working, the long side of the vee points into the direction of prevailing wind at that altitude. I don’t remember the reason for it.


Funnydiva2002 | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:36 pm 70
In response to Suzanne @ 51

*waves at Suz*
Hey, Suz.
Yeah, with the workin’ thing…and so damn many crappy/depressing/infuriating current events I hain’t been around much.

How’s Cheese-county? Thought of you, and Token (and Bailey) over July 4th…good times.

FunnyD


edve | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:36 pm 71
In response to Suzanne @ 60

yep! …and the covers are not that great IMHO…


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:37 pm 72
In response to donbacon @ 64

Because geese can’t count. Also, some are reputed to be draft dodgers.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:37 pm 73
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 63

ROTFLMAO!

I don’t even want to imagine his class project.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:38 pm 74
In response to edve @ 71

GL is a pretty high standard to try to cover.


GeorgeJohnston | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:38 pm 75
In response to AZ Matt @ 47

The Blaze. I find this image troubling. Isn’t that what happened when the KKK set crosses on fire?


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:39 pm 76
In response to DrDick @ 73

There is such a thing as Too Much Information.


edve | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:40 pm 77
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 74

Agreed!!


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:40 pm 78
In response to GeorgeJohnston @ 75

Or witches and heretics at the stake (which I suspect is on Beck’s agenda).


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:40 pm 79
In response to DrDick @ 73

Shades of Monthy Python’s The Meaning of Life


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:41 pm 80
In response to donbacon @ 64

why?!


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:42 pm 81
In response to Funnydiva2002 @ 70

tis a dark stormy night here in cheese country — token and bailey cat are well. i think of you every time i go to the cheese factory for milk, cheese, sour cream etc. was watching the 4th on nwcn and hoping you were doing the same. good to see ya funny


Funnydiva2002 | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:43 pm 82

Well, I’m off to re-live some of my mis-spent youth
by watching Jewel in the Crown again–25 years later…

Night!

FunnyD


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:43 pm 83
In response to DrDick @ 78

It took me forever to figure out why an auto da fe was an act of faith, when it was someone they didn’t like they were burning.

Once I understood that they were (are?) crazy as loons, it was easier to understand. Still stoopid, and destructive and inhumane, though.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:45 pm 84
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 83

Always have been, always are, and always will be. Hate and intolerance (as well as the will to power) bring nothing but sorrow and pain.


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:45 pm 85
In response to Funnydiva2002 @ 82

Nite FunnyD. Please swing by more often.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:46 pm 86
In response to Funnydiva2002 @ 82

Night.


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:47 pm 87

g’nite funny


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:47 pm 88
In response to AZ Matt @ 52

There are lots of Druids, like Ár nDraíocht Féin: A Druid Fellowship, Inc. And Isaac Bonewits, who I had the honor of meeting and was one of the founders, recently passed.


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:47 pm 89

See Beck’s The Blaze just don’t expect honesty.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:47 pm 90
In response to DrDick @ 84

Didn’t the Buddha have something to say about all that? Not to mention Joshua ben Joseph?


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:47 pm 91
In response to DrDick @ 84

The irony of human evolution. We have brains large enough to start civilizations but not large enough to act civilized.


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:50 pm 92
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 88

I doubt if many were at Beckapooluza on Saturday. I didn’t hear about Christians brning anyone at the stake.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:50 pm 93

Dang – Missed FunnyD! She’s a good singer. Love her!


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:51 pm 94
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 90

The Rabbi Yeshua al Nazarat (aka bar-Yosef and later bar-El), was pretty clear on a lot of things these asshats seem to have missed.


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:51 pm 95

Beck has 3 Goldline Ads on his front page.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:53 pm 96
In response to ratfood @ 91

Most of these horrors would appear to be by-products of “civilization” (large scale agricultural-urban states) and are largely absent from small scale mobile foragers.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:54 pm 97
In response to AZ Matt @ 95

Of course…


Loo Hoo. | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:54 pm 98
In response to Margaret @ 18

Ugh. More Glenn Beck. Goodnight.

Right with you, Margaret. So sick of Becktalk, as we all are.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:54 pm 99
In response to DrDick @ 94

Yup, yup. I couldn’t remember if ’twas ben or bar, and guessed wrong, darn it.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:57 pm 100
In response to AZ Matt @ 95

What distresses me is that even decent progressives like Thom Hartmann are pushing precious metals.

“India’s demand for gold has tripled since 2000, China’s is projected to do something else outrageous. Do they know something we don’t?”


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:57 pm 101
In response to BargainCountertenor @ 99

One of my colleagues (Israeli by birth, but raised in Canada) is named Bar-El. That is the only way I can keep it straight.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 08:58 pm 102
In response to DrDick @ 101

That would help. I don’t have that sort of crutch. Not that I need to call on it very often at all.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:00 pm 103

They know that their societies have always placed a premium on hording gold. The rise in demand in India is largely a consequence of the expansion and rising prosperity of the Indian professional and middle classes. Not sure what is going on in China, but the Chinese have not trusted governments longer than most societies have had them.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:01 pm 104

I only do it to annoy the Talibangelicals who hate to be reminded that he was a Jewish Rabbi.


bigbrother | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:01 pm 105
In response to ratfood @ 91

Funny haha comment. Maybe we can giveaway free brain food to bolster up civilized behavior?


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:03 pm 106
In response to DrDick @ 96

Civilization places extraordinary power in the hands of a few individuals. Power of the life and/or death of millions. Bad idea, that.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:03 pm 107
In response to DrDick @ 103

That was pretty much my analysis, with the unstated conclusion, “And we want you to start hoarding gold, too.”


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:04 pm 108
In response to bigbrother @ 105

I dunno, sounds like the oceans are already becoming fished out.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:05 pm 109
In response to DrDick @ 104

Yeah, my Fundie acquaintances really hate it when someone points out that lots of First C Christians would have called themselves Jews.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:05 pm 110
In response to ratfood @ 91

we are trapped between angels and animals


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:06 pm 111
In response to ratfood @ 106

I’m reminded of the (probably apocryphal) story of Mohandas Ghandi, who, when asked for his opinion on Western Civilization, said, “I think it would be a good idea.”


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:07 pm 112

If you really want to piss off everybody, point out that most of the Palestinians are descended from Jews who converted to Christianity and/or later Islam.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:09 pm 113

In fairness, all state societies and world religions have been guilty of the same kinds of excesses. The Bhuddist warrior monks are among my favorites.


AZ Matt | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:09 pm 114
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 110

wingnuts are trapped between flys and squirrels.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:09 pm 115

I also like this Ghandi quote:

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:09 pm 116
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 110

No.

We choose angelic or animal behaviors. There’s no trap, but in the choice it’s revealed what we act like.


donbacon | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:10 pm 117

Answer: A vee of geese has one side longer than the other because there are more geese on that side.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:10 pm 118
In response to DrDick @ 103

The Chinese govt is now allowing people to own gold & silver


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:11 pm 119
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 110

We think we’re clever but our species’ time at the top of the food chain is likely to be one of the shortest in Earth’s history.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:12 pm 120
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 116

Well said. Humans have innate capacities for both good and bad in about equal measure. It is what we as individuals or societies choose to emphasize that makes the difference.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:12 pm 121
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 118

not as jewelry, but as $ I should add.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:13 pm 122
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 118

Pent up demand would explain it then. Something similar, though on a smaller scale, happened when the US allowed people to buy unlimited gold.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:14 pm 123
In response to DrDick @ 112

I didn’t know that one. I’m not too surprised, though.


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:14 pm 124
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 116

(scratching head) Where do Heidi and Spencer fit into that paradigm?


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:15 pm 125
In response to ratfood @ 106

Sadly, biofuel companies are hacking up Africa now. For fuel. Green? NOT


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:16 pm 126
In response to ratfood @ 119

There’s no need to think we’re clever. We are clever, and probably too clever for our own good.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:17 pm 127
In response to DrDick @ 120

Well, that’s why I give less than a shit about “belief systems.”

Meaningless without the action side of things, and that says absolutely everything about one believes.

I’ll never mock what one does, but I’ll always mock what one says one believes without backing it up.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:20 pm 128

There is an increasing body of research that shows that only a tiny minority (as few as 10,000 out of a population of 1-3 million) of Jews, mostly leaders of the rebellions, were ever exiled from Palestine. The genetic studies (mostly done by Israelis) also indicate that the Palestinians are closer to the Jews than to the surrounding Arab populations (though all of the Semites are very similar). There are also a lot of other things in there as well, including folks from all over the Roman empire, Byzantine Greeks, Crusaders from all over Europe, Ottoman Turks, and Arabs (the evidence does not support any large scale Arab immigration into Palestine after the Jihad).


onitgoes | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:21 pm 129

If any one of those geese had dropped a big load on Beck’s fat head, I might be induced to believe there is a God. As it is: HONK!!


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:22 pm 130
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 127

Except that certain belief systems are exceedingly dangerous to others when they are acted on.

So, yeah, I do worry about belief systems. I particularly worry about pernicious belief systems that proselytize heavily, because there is no zealot like a converted zealot.


DrDick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:22 pm 131

Time for me to toddle off. I have my theory seminar tomorrow and I am inflicting Thomas Kuhn on them.


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:22 pm 132
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 125

Seems like something I watched on PBS once said that in Egypt during the 19th century mummified human remains were so plentiful compared to other resources that they were using them to fuel their locomotives.

Don’t know if it is true but would have been a real slap in the face to any ancient Egyptions whose afterlife was contingent on preservation. William S. Burroughs wrote about an Egyptian spirit who feels a sudden shiver as archeologists break into his tomb, “Somebody’s fuckin’ with my MUMMY!”


ratfood | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:24 pm 133
In response to DrDick @ 131

Niters. Think I’ll mosey too. Thanks Lisa. Splendid evening to all.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:25 pm 134
In response to DrDick @ 128

That actually makes a lot of sense. In the days before mass transportation modes like trains, how are you going to move several hundred thousand people? Who is going to stay and work and pay the taxes (or tribute or whatever you want to call it)?

You find the ring leaders, the political and religious elites (probably one and the same in those cultures at that time) and you deport them. Leave Joe and Mary to work the olive groves and herd the sheep.


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:25 pm 135
In response to DrDick @ 131

g’nite dr (pause) dick


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:25 pm 136

Good night, Dick.

Slap them with a paradigm shift.


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:26 pm 137
In response to ratfood @ 133

g’nite rat


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:27 pm 138

‘night RF.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:28 pm 139

Just this month an Orthodox rabbi in Israel gave a man a whipping for singing in front of men and women at the sam etime. And he’s considered a “moderate” rabbi…fundamentalism of ANY stripe is just nasty.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3944617,00.html


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:28 pm 140

Read me a bit more carefully, and also let me be more clear:

Particularly, as regards proselytizing, phooey!

As regards this notion of “Respect others belief systems” um no. They may be tolerated. They have a right to exist. But they needn’t be respected, they needn’t be venerated, and they may be mocked and derided.

Be gay for a while. You’ll see what I mean. Put the shoes on the different feet and you’ll see what I mean.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:39 pm 141
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 140

Kelly,

I don’t demand respect for my belief system. I do insist that I be allowed my belief system, no matter how idiosyncratic anyone may find it. Mock it if you like, it’s no skin off my back. Part of my belief system ask me to respect other people, to treat them as I’d like to be treated.

But as you note, beliefs are cheap. Actions show what we really believe, because actions have costs.

I’m not quite sure what you mean by ‘phooey’ towards proselytizing. Do you not care about it, or do you think it should be banned?


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:41 pm 142
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 139

Agreed. Fundamentalisms are nasty, and it doesn’t seem to matter what the rootstock is.


AitchD | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:41 pm 143

Ha! My best friend’s a retired police officer/homicide detective/Vietnam vet/poet/impresario. He designed a granite memorial for the soldiers from Allegheny County (Pittsburgh PA area) who died during the Vietnam war (more from that county than from any other county). We had a dedication ceremony. He made a phone call to a general of the USAF stationed near Greater Pittsburgh Airport. We had a C-130 flyover exactly at noon.


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:49 pm 144

Proselytizing is “teaching a pig to sing” as far as I’m concerned; useless and annoys the pig.

And I am consistently and constantly amazed that according to the media/consensus, that America is a Christian Country, but hates the poor, and despises “Liberation Theology”?

That there’s no advocacy for the disenfranchised? That torture is approved by most Americans these days?

Belief systems that produce this result, on this scale, are FUCKED.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:51 pm 145
In response to AitchD @ 143

Uh, yeah.

Getting a flyover isn’t very difficult. Pilots like to fly, they have to fly to maintain proficiency. Make the request far enough out (like two or three months) and the brass love to comply.

About eight years ago we had a flyover at NMSU on a change of command ceremony for the AFROTC wing. It was a U-2 out of Beale.

About all that’s required is that you not be doing something that can be clearly labeled as political. That’s where the Goldline Fraud screwed up.


wmd1961 | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:51 pm 146

There’s got to be a foie gras reference here some where. Guess this will have to do for now.


Talcott | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:52 pm 147

“That’s why other Christian celebrities are seen to be courageous for fighting their culture wars, while they carefully leave out the sins most likely to be endemic to the people paying the bills in their movements.”

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=1141100


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:53 pm 148
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 144

Proselytizing you (and me, for that matter) is a fruitless effort. But it isn’t always fruitless — if it was, if it never won converts, they wouldn’t do it.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:54 pm 149
In response to wmd1961 @ 146

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander…


Kelly Canfield | Tuesday August 31, 2010 09:55 pm 150

Tell that to Irak and Afghanistan.

The message is “be like us, and by the way, like/love us, or die.”


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday August 31, 2010 10:01 pm 151

Night all and thanks! Next week I’m in Turkey but after that I’m here for a while…


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 10:02 pm 152
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 151

Good night, Lisa.

Travel safely, and don’t let the security drive you batty.


BargainCountertenor | Tuesday August 31, 2010 10:05 pm 153
In response to Kelly Canfield @ 150

Are we talking about societies proselytizing or individuals proselytizing? I was talking about individuals, I think you’re talking about cultures.


Suzanne | Tuesday August 31, 2010 10:08 pm 154
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 151

g’nite lisa — safe travels and have fun!


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