Late Night: What’s Bugging You? It’s a Matter of Taste

There’s a lot to yammer about, from tasty food and eating bugs to whatever is bugging whoever.

I had an unexpected run in with chapulina empanadas at one of Los Angeles’ most popular Oaxacan  restaurants which has super hot waiters. That night ours had a spider tattoo on his neck. Anyway my Spanish is pretty marginal, and for some reason I thought chapulinas might be cheese curds. Then the empanadas came and after a couple bites, I went

Oh maybe seeds…?

Then I found a leg, at which point I mentioned to the one dude in our group that these might be crickets. He called over the cute tattooed waiter and asked

Hey, are these crickets?

And the guy replied,

Nah, grasshoppers.

So our hero said

Oh cool, grasshoppers!

slapped some guacamole on the empanada and munched it down, smiling all the while and saving us from the label of sissy gringos. Though I’ll still never order the goat spine in mole.

There’s a really interesting theory about why foods are kosher or not: When things possess the qualities of two things, when they are “neither fish nor fowl” they are unclean or treyf. Take oysters, which look like rocks, but contain a living thing. Or lobsters, crab and shrimp–giant bugs that live in the ocean. Ostriches are birds which run and do not fly, and so on.

106 Responses to "Late Night: What’s Bugging You? It’s a Matter of Taste"
Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:02 pm 1

lisa!


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:02 pm 2

Hey Suzanne, happy bug day!


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:04 pm 3

Lisa!

Whatever you do NEVER order opossum.


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:04 pm 4

Ugh! I don’t eat arthropods except for shrimp. Not because I have a mental aversion to them but I’ve only found one or two items that I’ve enjoyed.


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:05 pm 5

I think the oddest thing I had was dog and I didn’t know what it was until I had finished most of it. As you might expect, I was in Asia.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:05 pm 6

your post made me think of that jerry lewis movie with the chocolate covered ants and how things have changed since then. a lot more folks eat bugs now — there’s even that show on the travel channel (iirc) about eating all kinda things, including lotsa bugs.


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:06 pm 7
In response to Suzanne @ 6

They are a big delicacy in many parts of the world and a great source of protein. That said, I have never actually eaten any.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:09 pm 8
In response to DrDick @ 7

each one of us eats about a pound of insect parts each year without knowing it.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:09 pm 9

I had dry-roasted grasshoppers at a departmental picnic once. Could have been worse, except that I knew what it really was. (An anthropology departmental picnic gives a whole new meaning to “potluck.”)


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:11 pm 10
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 9

LOL!


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:11 pm 11
In response to Suzanne @ 8

As long as I remain unaware, I’m good… :-)


ratfood | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:15 pm 12
In response to Suzanne @ 8

I get it out of the way early and eat my pound on January 1st.


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:16 pm 13
In response to Suzanne @ 8

Wouldn’t surprise me a bit. Probably a fair bit of rodent and reptile as well. Worked at a canning factory for a while in college. All the produce came in on big conveyor line where a bunch of women picked though it to remove sticks, stones, and other debris. They had one unwritten rule which was, if it moves, it either moves off the line by itself or it goes all the way through (at the end of that line it started a closed system with only one way out). One night they had a snake and two rats go through with the new potatoes.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:19 pm 14

My cat has become a great hunter, and she expects me to praise her catches. As a result I must keep a pot boiling. Tonight it was baby bunny.


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:19 pm 15
In response to DrDick @ 13

I’ve never worked in food preparation, serving or processing. That’s probably the only reason I’m able to eat without too much thinking about it.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:21 pm 16
In response to Suzanne @ 8

That–and rodent parts–were something used in overeating rehabs in the 1970s to gross out people. It’s true and icky. But protein.


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:21 pm 17

I guess I will just drink beer.

If anyone needs a few crickets I will round some up and send them to you. Or you can go down to the local bait shop.


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:21 pm 18
In response to eCAHNomics @ 14

Kuroneko caught a bird tonight. She’s out on the porch finishing it off now. She expects me to praise her catches too but also to maintain my distance.


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:24 pm 19
In response to Margaret @ 15

I just decided not to think about it too much, as long as I couldn’t actually see it.


ratfood | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:24 pm 20
In response to DrDick @ 13

My dad said when he was growing up in St. Louis the breweries paid people to fish drowned rats out of the vats. I have no idea how they got in, the vats I’ve seen in microbreweries appear to be sealed. Perhaps the production process was less rigid back then or maybe like KFC rodents were one of the seven secret herbs and spices. The rats had been attracted by the malt. Probably lots of things in a brewery rats would find tasty but evidently they are fiends for malt.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:25 pm 21
In response to Margaret @ 18

So far, Cahnstance seems to think that I am the only being who should consume her catch. And that they should be alive when presented to me. Now, somehow (because I love them) lobster doesn’t bother me on that scale. But baby bunnies, not so much. A neighbor, more experienced, can’t wait until I offer live snake soup.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:25 pm 22
In response to Margaret @ 18

Atta girl! Mr Bruce is obsessed with what he thinks is a mouse in the pocket door’s pocket. He just stares for hours. Good luck Bruce; you have no face and your claws are hidden midst piles of fur.


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:26 pm 23
In response to ratfood @ 20

It is sweet, so I suspect that is it. I think a lot of breweries before WW II still used open vats.


ratfood | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:27 pm 24
In response to Margaret @ 15

I have, which is one of the reasons I prepare all my own food.


eCAHNomics | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:27 pm 25

Night all. Time for me to turn in! Have lovely evenings.


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:28 pm 26
In response to eCAHNomics @ 25

Nighters! Enjoy your soup.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:28 pm 27
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 22

Though 17 yr old, declawed Judy–who lived all her life as pampered princess then came to live with me when her family moved to Australia–caught a mouse all on her own and swiped at the dog when he came over to look at what was going on.

Bruce knocked a bug over. Once. And stared at it. Then it died. The death gaze of Teh Furry Leech.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:28 pm 28
In response to eCAHNomics @ 25

g’nite ecahn


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:29 pm 29
In response to eCAHNomics @ 25

Sleep well!


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:30 pm 30
In response to ratfood @ 24

Oh, certainly I prepare my own food and for my rare guests!


ratfood | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:30 pm 31
In response to eCAHNomics @ 25

G’nite eCAHN, CAHNstance, and beeCAHNs. Sweet dreams.


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:30 pm 32

Night eCAHN!


ratfood | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:31 pm 33
In response to Margaret @ 30

Really? I serve my guests medium-rare to medium. :)


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:32 pm 34
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 27

never piss off The Bruce :)


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:38 pm 35
In response to ratfood @ 33

Better than raw guests. Those are too active!


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:40 pm 36
In response to Margaret @ 35

Can be kind of gamy, too.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:40 pm 37
In response to Margaret @ 35

I like my guests active. That’s why I bring them back as zombies.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:42 pm 38

I have been watching the food channel tonight, very relaxing. I am recovering form a flu. At first I thought, oh I just danced too much Friday night and then did party clean up Sat, that is why I ache so much on Sunday.

I must be OLD

Then I threw up. RELIEF! I’m not old!

But then I got worried it might be food poisoning, espec when one person called and said they were sick. Five of us have the flu out of 85 and it appears to be a virus– there is no one clear food connection except we were all at same party, just didn’t all eat the same thing


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:45 pm 39
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 38

It was probably the cat lady sending bad vibes your way.


nonquixote | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:45 pm 40
In response to AZ Matt @ 17

The preferred alternative to cat food recommended by the deficit commission.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:46 pm 41
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 38

ugh — hope you feel better soon lisa. stephanie had a stomach virus last week — she was the first of her friends to come down with it.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:46 pm 42
In response to AZ Matt @ 39

Oddly I did think it might have been a whammy, but not from the cat lady. But that’s what reversing candles are for. Just sayin…


ratfood | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:47 pm 43
In response to Margaret @ 35

If you enjoy a tender moment I recommend the slow cooker. :)


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:47 pm 44
In response to Suzanne @ 8

Ugh! And I was in a restaurant last week that served my friend a glass of iced tea with a large black ant in it… gross!


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:48 pm 45
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 42

i saw this and immediately thought of your cat lady


Margot | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:48 pm 46
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 9

I had some grasshoppers (fried or roasted, don’t remember) that a co-worker had shipped to him from Kenya. They were pretty good.


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:49 pm 47
In response to EvilDrPuma @ 37

Here’s a helpful hint: never do that unless you’re stocked on brains. Otherwise yours is too tempting to them


ratfood | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:49 pm 48
In response to ChristineEdmonson @ 44

I gather your friend had ordered the ant on the side?


DrDick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:50 pm 49

I am going to toddle off. Did another of those 1000 foot gain in elevation in a mile and a half hikes (the first one!) this morning and I am beat. Take care all.


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:50 pm 50

Night DrDick.


ratfood | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:51 pm 51
In response to DrDick @ 49

Sleep well.

Think I will mosey too. Thanks Lisa. Splendid evening to all.


Petrocelli | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:51 pm 52

Lisa !

On my first trip to Britten, I was taken to a typical Pub, for Darts, Snooker, Draught, etc., which was great until a platter of Boiled Tongue passed by …

*no offense to anyone who lurves it, but any tongue entering my orifice had better have a live person still attached to it*


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:51 pm 53
In response to DrDick @ 49

g’nite dr dick


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:52 pm 54
In response to ratfood @ 51

g’nite rat


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:53 pm 55
In response to ratfood @ 48

Extra protein in a vegetarian joint!


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:56 pm 56

Good night Dr D, rat


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 08:56 pm 57

My grandma made tongue once. It was um, icky.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:00 pm 58
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 57

*shrudder* my mom made tongue one year for her birthday. dad and we kids were given a pass and didn’t have to eat any. twas a disgusting thing boiling away on the stove and mom was happy as a clam that she got it all to herself. her b’day present to herself.


Petrocelli | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:01 pm 59
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 57

I think I passed out when the Limeys began to describe Steak and Kidney Pie …


Margaret | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:01 pm 60

Good night rat. I’m out too. It’s been a long day. Goodnight all.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:01 pm 61
In response to Margaret @ 60

g’nite margaret


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:02 pm 62

night margaret.


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:02 pm 63

I get to have blue corn mush dipped in egg batter and fried tomorrow night. And you can put jam on top of it!


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:04 pm 64
In response to AZ Matt @ 63

yum!!


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:11 pm 65

I had chicken soup for dinner wiht fresh rye bread and Dr Browns Cel-Ray.


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:12 pm 66
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 64

It is a cooking demonstration for a Hopi foodworkshop. I don’t have to cook, got a Hopi doing that, but I need to buy some jam.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:15 pm 67
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 65

i had baked potato soup with bacon and i added some sliced kielbasa (left over from last nite). i topped it with sour cream and some chives i cut from the pot on the deck.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:18 pm 68
In response to AZ Matt @ 66

I was talking to a friend who teaches at a large university, and he said that for ethnic food fairs, the Natives only have fry bread, and it kinda bums him out. I suggested that maybe a lot of recipes had been lost through forced assimilation.


nahant | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:18 pm 69
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 65

grilled split Cornish hens with steamed green beans and bow tie pasta with fresh basil(from our garden) in a garlic onion shallot tomato base sauteed in butter & EVO… yummy..


transparait | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:18 pm 70

sigh

Salma Hayak is dreeeaammyyy.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:22 pm 71
In response to nahant @ 69

showoff


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:24 pm 72

Shrimp, with avocado and tomato salad. Fresh garlic minced and lemon olive oil…really tasty!


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:24 pm 73
In response to nahant @ 69

Yum! Mine came from the local deli that delivers.


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:25 pm 74
In response to Suzanne @ 71

Funny and true!


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:27 pm 75

I have to say, the fish dept. at Whole Foods is fantastic. Sorry all you readers of New Yorker Mag. for shopping there…


nahant | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:28 pm 76
In response to Suzanne @ 71

Nah Suz that is what my sweetie wanted!! Am I supposed to disappoint her???? Sheesh a guy can never win… sigh…


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:28 pm 77
In response to ChristineEdmonson @ 74

i’ve tasted nahant’s cooking and larue’s. would love to be one of the judges in a cook-off between those two


nahant | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:29 pm 78
In response to ChristineEdmonson @ 74

Hey now Butt out…./☺ ☺ ☺


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:29 pm 79
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 68

Frybread is tasty but fattening. You can a Hopi or Navajo Taco around here and they will be on frybread. But Hopi ha maintained their own food traditions centered mostly around corn. The Tohono O’odham in southern Arizona grow and eat alot of tepary beans. Youth from TO just won a national youth cooking contest with a quesadilla that had tepary beans in them. TOCA website


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:30 pm 80
In response to Suzanne @ 77

Me too! My mother says that I’m a food snob. No, I’m an ingredient snob. MrCE and I discovered crab cakes at Whole Foods, and I’m sorry to say that they are the best I’ve ever had, bar none.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:31 pm 81
In response to AZ Matt @ 79

Cool thanks!


nahant | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:32 pm 82
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 73

That is way decadent… I love to cook & I can do better than most Deli’s for dinner.. In fact I make killer sandwiches when called upon…


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:34 pm 83
In response to nahant @ 82

Soft shell crabs?


nahant | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:39 pm 84
In response to ChristineEdmonson @ 83

If I had acces to them, we get Dungeness crab here and the left overs of a crab boil make killer crab cakes…


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:43 pm 85
In response to nahant @ 84

Like your memories, I have those on the Indian River in Delaware, crabbing with three generations on Pop Pop’s floating porch. We caught bushels of blue claw crabs, and Nana boiled them in the basement kitchen. Sitting in bathing suits and cracking those bright red crabs with knives and wooden hammers, we ate crab until we were stuffed!


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:44 pm 86
In response to ChristineEdmonson @ 85

Wow, awesome….

Kquick reminder, to care for those in the Gulf whose lives crabbing and shrimping are radically changing.


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:46 pm 87
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 86

Hey Lisa,
That’s what sparking this memory. And Nahant and I are coastal people!


nahant | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:47 pm 88
In response to ChristineEdmonson @ 85

Sure sounds like great memories CE great memories… but I do love ta cook most of the time.. but sometime Chinese take is is just fine with me… Sue Hongs in Menlo Park… ta die fer..


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:48 pm 89
In response to nahant @ 88

moi aussi!


mzchief | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:52 pm 90

That was a great interview by Hayek. !Que rrrrrico!

Sopa de Mondongo with as many fat, hand-made corn tortillas is one of my favorites dishes (but you really don’t want to know what’s in it).


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:52 pm 91
In response to mzchief @ 90

Oh what ‘s in it???


Mauimom | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:52 pm 92
In response to nahant @ 82

I can do better than most Deli’s for dinner.

Could you please come open a restaurant on Maui? Today we went out for lunch and ordered corned beef sandwiches. They came heavy with mayonnaise. Bleech.


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:55 pm 93
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 91

Mondongo is tripe.


Mauimom | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:55 pm 94
In response to Mauimom @ 92

[Trying to edit my comment, but unable to.]

We should have become suspicious when, upon ordering corned beef, they asked if we wanted cheese on it.


nahant | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:56 pm 95
In response to Mauimom @ 92

mayo on Corned Beef… Blasphemy I say Blasphemy… only the very best mustard…


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:58 pm 96

Yum…now I need a snack!


Mauimom | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:58 pm 97
In response to nahant @ 95

I know!!!! I called Zabar’s yesterday to see if they would ship either corned beef or pastrami to us, but they wouldn’t. Too far, even with dried ice. Insert frown-ie face here.


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:58 pm 98
In response to Mauimom @ 94

Cheese! On corned beef! Like nahant, Blasphemy!


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:58 pm 99
In response to nahant @ 95

when i was pregnant with stephanie, i wanted corned beef on onion bread with mayo, avocado, and red onion. if onion bred wasn’t available, then it had to be egg bread. but it always had to have lotsa and lotsa mayo on it


nahant | Tuesday June 22, 2010 09:59 pm 100
In response to nahant @ 95

of course best on rye..


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 22, 2010 10:01 pm 101
In response to Suzanne @ 99

Me too, lots of mayo, on everything. White chocolate, too.


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 22, 2010 10:05 pm 102

Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 22, 2010 10:06 pm 103

Night all!


Suzanne | Tuesday June 22, 2010 10:07 pm 104
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 103

g’nite lisa — thanks for a wonderful post to chew on in the comments


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 22, 2010 10:07 pm 105
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 103

Sweet Dreams!


mzchief | Wednesday June 23, 2010 03:49 am 106
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 91

The Americans find socially acceptable the chicken soup stock and chunks of the plantains (still with the skin on so you fish those out and remove the peel). Peas, carrots and onion are in it with lots of cilantro. The Americans go tilt when they find out about the tripe, “bone marrow or hoof jelly” (mmm, mmm good!)so just don’t tell them about that stuff. Make sure to get the side of fried yucca. Then slurp the soap between chomps of generously buttered, hot tortillas. Then finish off with flan and a demitasse cup of espresso. A good mojito will do as a decent after dinner drink as well. Get the generously minty (only hand-crushed will do) version.

!Bueno Appetito! :)


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