Oh My Moons and Stars! Godless Atheists Invade White House!

Well, really have you ever heard of any other kind of atheist other than godless?

I’m damn glad that Tina Tchen, the director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, and representatives from the Justice and Health and Human Services departments will be meeting with members of the Secular Coalition for America. Three policy matters are on the agenda: military proselytizing, faith-based initiatives and child medical neglect.

Even though there are fundamental differences between atheists and any religion–like whether or not there is a God, or Gods or not–this meeting paves the way for non-mainstream faith to speak up.

Coalition leaders are billing their visit as an important meeting between a presidential administration and the “nontheist” community. And it is. This is huge. And it’s also important because it shows that there may be a policy shift away from the fundamentalist chokehold that has gripped Presidencies for decades.

But the White House says that Tchen’s office

regularly meets with a wide range of organizations and individuals on a diverse set of issues.

The Secular Coalition for America has some high profile board members like authors Salman Rushdie and Christopher Hitchins. Coalition activists have concerns about proselytizing in the military and a rise in the military’s evangelical culture, as do many in non-mainstream religions.

They want the Department of Defense to give protected-class status to nonbelievers, as it does to members of minority religions. Which makes sense because atheism/nontheism is a belief system.

While President Obama has emphasized that faith-based groups that receive government money for charitable work shouldn’t proselytize or discriminate on the basis of religion, the coalition would like to see an executive order solidifying that position.

The coalition would also like laws in put into place which would allow sick children to be removed from their homes for treatment if their families deny them medical care because of faith-healing belief systems.

2 Responses to "Oh My Moons and Stars! Godless Atheists Invade White House!"
diannanarciso | Saturday February 27, 2010 11:22 am 1

Atheism/nontheism is not a belief system. It’s not a belief at all. Atheism means without theism. Theism is belief in deity. How can one have a belief system based on being without a belief system? If atheism is a belief, baldness is a hair color.

The only times believers characterize atheism as a belief, in my experience, are those times in which they subsequently attempt to prove their belief is better than mine, or that both our beliefs are based on “faith.”

How does a person manage to make lack of belief equal belief in his mind? What kind of disconnect is going on there and why? What’s in it for you?

http://www.atheistview.com


unscripted | Wednesday March 10, 2010 12:52 pm 2

I would say it depends on your perception of the definition of the words “belief” and “faith”.

Belief
- the sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned

- an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence.

Faith.

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence

By most definitions, an atheist is someone who does not believe in God or gods or is often used to define someone who does not believe in the god of the bible.

Belief does not require proof or evidence. And, although some people on both sides claim there is proof or evidence, that is only their perception that this is true.

Someone can believe that there is no god just as strongly as someone can believe there is – and have faith in their belief.

(Above definitions from The Free Dictionary)


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