Jesus Sucks Some Nuts: Restrictive Irish Blasphemy Law Goes into Effect Today

Where would humor be if you couldn’t tell the one about a priest, a rabbi and a witch walking into bar or watch an episode of South Park about a litigious, celebrity-filled space alien cult or their classic “All About  Mormons“? Where would art, music literature and film be without reactions against religion?

But as of today in the Irish Republic–a nation known for its poets, authors, musicians and artists, a nation which has had tens of thousands of its citizens beset upon by pedophile priests who’ve now been ordered to pay $242 million in victims’ aid to the children they raped, and nuns who systematically abused children and have since offered to pay $193 million in restitution–blasphemy is punishable by a € 25,000 fine–about $40,000.

The new law defines blasphemy as publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby intentionally causing outrage among a substantial number of adherents of that religion, with some defences permitted.

Really, the first people who should be fined for blasphemy are those who use the church as a shield as they committed crimes against children and their flocks as whole. And fine those who covered up the abuse as well. I can think of no greater blasphemies. But alas, instead this law could and sadly will be used by anyone who is offend by the printing of  “Godammit, Christ on cracker, Holy Buddha’s toenail, my sister-in-law is such a witch, and here’s drawing of her next to the Prophet” or any publication–and by extrapolation, broadcast–of jokes about whatever faith one chooses to laugh at.

Yes, bigotry and insensitivity are problems which can lead to further, bigger problems. But so is being really uptight. Any religion that can’t laugh at itself is still a cult, taking itself way too seriously. Religion is inherently goofy–and I say this as a very religious person and a licensed minister. A religion is silly unless you are in it, and even if you are it can feel kind of surreal at some points. Let’s face it, the Catholic Mass is sort of dinner and a show, or at least a drink and a cracker; and to outsiders–and at time practitioners–there are few things funnier than a group of computer nerds and artsy types dressed in synthetic blend pseudo-Egyptian costumes muttering around a cauldron. But no matter how ludicrous, some religions work for some people.

“Blasphemy” is a vague term and could be applied to any discussion or questioning of faith. Recall the heresies of ancient times? Raising theological questions? Blasphemy!

Uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion

is fairly open to interpretation, and could put a number of comedians out of business plus cause everything from The Satanic Verses to Woody Allen’s essays to be pulled from shelves of Irish bookshops.

There is no point getting big time butt hurt over jokes, theological debates, narrow minded essays, literary flights of fancy or even Andres Serrano’s Piss Christ, which was arguably  more jejuene and peurile than actually blasphemous–the “Oooh Let’s See What I Can Do That Will Make A Statement” school of art. Expressions for and against religions allow for discussion and ultimately tolerance.

Earlier this year, the Irish Minister of Foreign Affairs, Michael Martin spoke out against attempts by the United Nations’ Organization of the Islamic Council to make defamation of religion a crime at UN level. Martin said:

We believe that the concept of defamation of religion is not consistent with the promotion and protection of human rights. It can be used to justify arbitrary limitations on, or the denial of, freedom of expression. Indeed, Ireland considers that freedom of expression is a key and inherent element in the manifestation of freedom of thought and conscience and as such is complementary to freedom of religion or belief.

Just months after Minister Martin made this comment, his colleague Dermot Ahern introduced Ireland’s new blasphemy law.

The Islamic states, led by Pakistan, are still trying to get a new United Nations blasphemy law passed as a human rights violation, and are already using the wording of this Irish law to promote the UN law which would, explains the Christian Science Monitor

give the religious antidefamation idea legal teeth by making it part of an international convention, or legally binding treaty.

Suppression of free speech is more of a violation of human rights–and far more dangerous–than a cartoon in a Danish newspaper.  The OIC proposes

“legal prohibition of publication of material that negatively stereotypes, insults or uses offensive language” on matters regarded by religious followers as “sacred or inherent to their dignity as human beings.”

As an editorial in the Christian Science Monitor points out

suppression of speech in the name of religion can come with a negative effect – suppression of people and theological fault lines that at some point will erupt. It is, conversely, open debate, interfaith dialogue, and righting of misconceptions that will allow religion to flourish…

Thus under the proposed UN laws an anti-Catholic comic book by Jack Chick or an editorial indictment of the Jews by Louis Farrakhan could be a human rights violation, rather than an opportunity to discuss why, or just to condemn the ideas as really dumb and ignorant, which is always an option…

Oh heck, if this passed, all of Halloween could be an effing human rights violation: Witches might take offense at being called Satanic by rightwing Christians while the fundie Christians could see the promotion of Halloween as an attempt to infringe on their rights since you know, it’s people celebrating demons, witches, ghouls and the undead, along with being the one day women and men can both go prance about in public in skimpy lacy underwear.

Then  practitioners of demonism could claim that dominionist Christian texts which teach the casting out of demons are harmful to their faith, while Pat Robertson’s comments on non-Christians could start a class action human rights violation suit.

Can you imagine the cluster fuck this would cause in the The Hague? Between all the blasphemy violations, would there be time to handle serious human rights violations like human trafficking and war crimes?

In response to the new Irish law, Atheist Ireland has published 25 blasphemous quotes by everyone from Jesus and Muhammad to George Carlin, from Frank Zappa to Rev Ian Paisley and Pope Benedict XVI.  The webpage also included this comment by Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor:

Whether a person is atheist or any other, there is in fact in my view something not totally human if they leave out the transcendent… we call it God… I think that if you leave that out you are not fully human.

So the good cardinal believes atheists aren’t fully human. And as Atheist Ireland points out

Because atheism is not a religion, the Irish blasphemy law does not protect atheists from abusive and insulting statements about their fundamental beliefs. While atheists are not seeking such protection, we include the statement here to point out that it is discriminatory that this law does not hold all citizens equal.

70 Responses to "Jesus Sucks Some Nuts: Restrictive Irish Blasphemy Law Goes into Effect Today"
wpzs | Friday January 1, 2010 08:58 am 1

It never ceases to amaze me how an allegedly supreme being can be insulted by a mere human being.


Pannochka | Friday January 1, 2010 09:09 am 2

You all can talk about that underage unwed pregger Mary or her “confirmed bachelor” son all you want, but do NOT blaspheme the Flying Spaghetti Monster [PBUH]


emptywheel | Friday January 1, 2010 10:15 am 3

JesusMaryAndJoseph, I don’t know how my Irish in-laws are going to avoid going bankrupt with this law. Because blasphemy for them is a lot like punctuation for other people.


Phoenix Woman | Friday January 1, 2010 10:38 am 4
In response to emptywheel @ 3

Ya know, if a whole bunch of people decided to blaspheme all at once in public — and against a variety of faiths — it just might be what’s needed to make the perps behind this law look like the asses they are.

It could also be a “teachable moment” opportunity to discuss whatever it might be that the folks pushing this law don’t want the Irish people to see. Is this law being used as a Bright Shiny Object to take people’s focus from the horrible job their leaders have been doing, by instead scapegoating people who cuss so that the anger of the Irish for their leaders is channeled elsewhere?


mlmc | Friday January 1, 2010 12:39 pm 5

FYI: Piss Christ was done by Andres Serrano, not Damien Hirst.

I wonder if they’ll have to take James Joyce off the shelves as well.

[mod note: fixed, thank you.]


vegasboomer | Friday January 1, 2010 12:41 pm 6

Let Us Prey.


vegasboomer | Friday January 1, 2010 12:48 pm 7
In response to wpzs @ 1

“The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.”

- Heinlein


joelmael | Friday January 1, 2010 12:48 pm 8

Thank you Ireland…. for lighting a fire under the american taliban. They will not sit still being out hypocricized by “old Europe”

Get ready for it!


Beerfart Liberal | Friday January 1, 2010 12:51 pm 9

Jesus Fucking Christ, this is fucking ridiculous! They want “The Land of Saints & SCholars” to be just aland of saints?? Ain’t gonna happen. I prefer it the other way (fuck the saints) anyway.


egregious | Friday January 1, 2010 12:52 pm 10
In response to mlmc @ 5

Fixed, and thank you


joelmael | Friday January 1, 2010 12:52 pm 11

George Carlin lives and is behind this.


whomever1 | Friday January 1, 2010 12:54 pm 12

“Because atheism is not a religion, the Irish blasphemy law does not protect atheists from abusive and insulting statements about their fundamental beliefs.”
There’s nothing to stop atheists from establishing their own church so they can be offended too. Of course, I don’t know what constitutes a “religion” in Ireland.


Seymour Friendly | Friday January 1, 2010 12:54 pm 13

What a backwards law!


marymccurnin | Friday January 1, 2010 12:54 pm 14
In response to vegasboomer @ 7

about right.


peterboy | Friday January 1, 2010 12:55 pm 15

this is an april’s fool joke, right?


marymccurnin | Friday January 1, 2010 12:55 pm 16
In response to Seymour Friendly @ 13

What an ass backwards law!


Beerfart Liberal | Friday January 1, 2010 12:57 pm 17

I know nothing of the Irish system of justice but this law is bullshit. A “substantial number”? How many is that? I intended tpo only insult the one guy but a whole bunch of others were outraged. Defense? What’s an “adherent” anyway? Go to mass every sunday but are a lying, cheating, bigotted, thieving drunken prick who beats your wife and kids? You’re a Catholic? Don’t think so.


joelmael | Friday January 1, 2010 12:59 pm 18

The late Dave Allen…..a little boy’s encounter with the church, really hilarious to us raised catholic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo81Ok9Urk


Raven | Friday January 1, 2010 01:00 pm 19

sinead o’connor head for the bunker


Raven | Friday January 1, 2010 01:01 pm 20

jackbuddha | Friday January 1, 2010 01:02 pm 21

JHFC!


booyah | Friday January 1, 2010 01:02 pm 22

I wish we could somehow make this applicable to the dk posters who publish their diatribes agains FDL with such religious zeal… too bad we aren’t in Ireland and Progressivism isn’t a religion!

/s


nahant | Friday January 1, 2010 01:03 pm 23
In response to marymccurnin @ 16

backasswards….


marymccurnin | Friday January 1, 2010 01:03 pm 24
In response to nahant @ 23

I meant to say that but I am dyslexic. Dyslexics Untie!


demi | Friday January 1, 2010 01:04 pm 25

backwardsass


joelmael | Friday January 1, 2010 01:04 pm 26
In response to joelmael @ 11

George Carlin on Religion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo81Ok9Urk


georgewalton | Friday January 1, 2010 01:05 pm 27

What does, “Fuck the Father, fuck the Son and fuck the Holy Ghost” get you, the death penalty?

Every year nearly 7,000,000 children die from starvation. And you don’t get much more innocent than children, right? But very few of them are Christians, of course. And yet the Christian nations, the richest, most powerful nations on Earth, own the global economy that perpetuates the conditions that lead to mass starvation in the 3rd world.

And the Christian God does absolutely nothing to stop it.

“Keep ‘em doped with religion and sex and tv/and they think they’re so clever and classless and free/but they’re still fucking peasants as far as I can see”

John Lennon


nahant | Friday January 1, 2010 01:06 pm 28
In response to marymccurnin @ 24

Happy New Year MaryM!You to demi!


joelmael | Friday January 1, 2010 01:06 pm 29

Mel Brooks: The inquistion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5McSEU48Y8


demi | Friday January 1, 2010 01:08 pm 30
In response to nahant @ 28

Happy happy to you too, nahant. And, Mary also. Saw Ron’s piece. Nice work.


marymccurnin | Friday January 1, 2010 01:09 pm 31
In response to nahant @ 28

Thanks and back at you.


temptingfate | Friday January 1, 2010 01:10 pm 32

Now that universal sharia is to be a part of Irish jurisprudence one can assume that insulting a church that is not constituted of inhuman atheists will always be able to protect itself in Irish courts. Perhaps this is really an attempt to corner a market. Businesses generally take their lawsuit business to a single county in Texas. People that want to win libel suits have powerful reasons to use the courts in England. With Ireland having so many economic problems is might have been obvious that they needed a hook to bring in some lawsuit business.

One can assume that the Scientology folks are already well into figuring out how to use this new blunt instrument. South Park and a few other shock humor professionals days could be numbered if this law can be applied to each person that felt offended whether that actors were on Irish soil or not. People that want to criticize any church with a think skin will have to make sure that Ireland can’t try them in absentia.

An interesting future application might be to create a church of American Latter Day Republicans and sue everyone that insults a member or disparages an idea no matter where they live. This might lead to a major revival in the creation of new religions.


jackbuddha | Friday January 1, 2010 01:10 pm 33

Bassackwards.


Lisa Derrick | Friday January 1, 2010 01:12 pm 34
In response to peterboy @ 15

ratfood | Friday January 1, 2010 01:15 pm 35

I’m a longtime fan of Frank Zappa but I find the following statement needlessly demeaning to chimpanzees.

“If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine – but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you’ve been bad or good – and cares about any of it – to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working.”
-Frank Zappa, 1989


Lisa Derrick | Friday January 1, 2010 01:17 pm 36

There is part of me that is very suspicious that the minister who put this forth might have an agenda…considering it is being used a template and precursor to the UN blasphemy laws.


ratfood | Friday January 1, 2010 01:21 pm 37

Here’s a more applicable Zappa quote, from “Dumb All Over.”

You can’t run a country by a book of religion
Not by a heap or a lump or a smidgeon of foolish rules of ancient date, designed to make you all feel great while you fold, spindle and mutilate those unbelievers from a neighboring state


mracine | Friday January 1, 2010 01:21 pm 38

The only useful thing I could see in this is against the media. Complain that when they say evolution is opposed by Christians, they are saying Catholics aren’t Christian, as the Catholic church does support the theory of evolution.

Ireland did have fairly serious religious censorship of the media, at least through the 70′s when I lived there. I remember seeing Sleeper at a repertory movie house in the US and laughing my ass off. The newspaper with the headline “Pope’s wife has twins” had been cut out of the Irish release.


marymccurnin | Friday January 1, 2010 01:22 pm 39

Seems to confuse blasphemy with immorality. God damn Stoopids.


Twain | Friday January 1, 2010 01:23 pm 40

This is true fascism – just saying.


buckinnm | Friday January 1, 2010 01:24 pm 41

Well, DUH?


ratfood | Friday January 1, 2010 01:26 pm 42
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 36

Love the title of the post, BTW.


seeker561 | Friday January 1, 2010 01:29 pm 43

there goes youtube


hctomorrow | Friday January 1, 2010 01:29 pm 44

Oh, yet another cute little theocracy. So adorable, so backward.

In response, I’d like to lead us all in a short Erisian hymn, if I may:

An Erisian Hymn
by Rev. Dr. Mungojerry Grindlebone, KOB
Episkopos, THE RAYVILLE APPLE PANTHERS

Onwards Christian Soldiers,
Onwards Buddhist Priests.
Onward, Fruits of Islam,
Fight till you’re deceased.
Fight your little battles.
Join in thickest fray;
For the Greater Glory,
of Dis-cord-i-a.
Yah, yah, yah,
Yah, yah, yah, yah.
Blfffffffffffft!


canadianbeaver | Friday January 1, 2010 01:37 pm 45

Everywhere you go, religion is crammed down your throat. Everywhere. And they are worrying about blasphemy? Puh-lease. What’s next? More politically correct mumbo jumbo. File this one under “how to get away with raping children in Ireland”


Becca | Friday January 1, 2010 01:41 pm 46

We need to take FSM-ism to Ireland and right quick.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is real!

Merry Pastamas, everyone! Ra-men.


mesamick | Friday January 1, 2010 01:45 pm 47

You can bet that the “C” Streeters and the other rethuglicon talibangelicals are creaming in their drawers of this law.

As we all know they’ve been trying to get the same kind of law passed here in the “christian nation” of the USA and they want it to include no dissing the GOP as well…


Becca | Friday January 1, 2010 01:51 pm 48
In response to mesamick @ 47

Well, you can bet they’d make sure the ‘no blasphemy’ law covered only their brand of Christianity and nothing else.

Last thing they want is a bunch of Wiccans, Buddhists, Muslims, or Pastafarians filing and winning court cases when these Talibangelists mock us.


hctomorrow | Friday January 1, 2010 01:51 pm 49
In response to Becca @ 46

Who wants to worship such a delicious deity?

I bet the FSM tastes great with some grated Romano.


Becca | Friday January 1, 2010 01:58 pm 50
In response to hctomorrow @ 49

“Eat of my body, for I am al dente and my sauce is spicy and flavorful…”

That said, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is strictly BYOB, although just about everybody brings some, so there’s usually enough to share.


gesneri | Friday January 1, 2010 02:11 pm 51
In response to peterboy @ 15

That was my first thought too, but apparently, sadly, it’s not.


hctomorrow | Friday January 1, 2010 02:11 pm 52
In response to Becca @ 50

Oh sure, he says he’s al dente, but if you’re an Atheist you probably get the crunchy bit that was stuck to the side of the pot for a minute above the water line.


Margot | Friday January 1, 2010 03:15 pm 53
In response to hctomorrow @ 52

Best laugh I’ve had today, thank you!


laurastrand | Friday January 1, 2010 03:22 pm 54

SLAP suits by kid fuckers – who’da thunk it?
Maybe they’ll be able to purchase the new front load energy saving washers at the Magdalena launderies.
Just sayin’


gtomkins | Friday January 1, 2010 03:34 pm 55

Wow!

Quite aside from the bad intent of this law, that it woul dbe a bad thing to outlaw criticism of religion even if it were possible, of course it isn’t possible. All of the churches I am familiar with start right out the gate by saying all sorts of hateful things about their competitors. Maybe you don’t have to believe Jesus was a lying mountebank, for example, in order to disbelieve in Christianity so that the way remains open for your own religion, but there really isn’t much way round the idea that His self-appointed successors in charge of the One, True and Universal Church have to be a bunch of lying mountebanks in that pretension that the Catholic Church is the only possible true church. How can anyone stand up for one set of ideas about God, and claim that set of ideas to be the one truth on the matter, without thereby disparaging the foundational tenets of every other religion?

Intelligent defenders of religion like to point out that all the arguments that atheists make against religion, agains the idea of there being any God, were stolen from theists, from believers defending their own particular faiths against what they supposed to be the errors of other faiths. The atheists, goes this argument, are not arguing successfully against belief in God, they are arguing against belief in false god. The believers join them in condemning wrong and mistaken beliefs about God, and usually the believers are more invested in this sort of refutation. Forget about keeping atheists from disparaging religion. That project is at least arguably feasible, if highly undesirable. How are you going to keep the believers from disparaging all the false religions, that is to say, all religions but their own, without becoming damnable relativists, and no longer believers?


PJEvans | Friday January 1, 2010 03:45 pm 56

IANAL, but one way to get this law laughed at would be to require that the plaintiff show exactly how a religion was blasphemed against, with evidence that the defendant knew that what was said was a lie.

(I would say that the statement being a lie is a requirement for blasphemy: requiring that it be proven one should be part of any law making it a crime.)


PopeRatzo | Friday January 1, 2010 03:50 pm 57

Allah is a punk. There. I said it.

That’s what this is all about.

People are so invested in the murdering psychopaths that they worship as deities that they want to make it illegal to point out that the god of the bible, torah and koran is a sick, sick piece of crap.


hctomorrow | Friday January 1, 2010 04:49 pm 58
In response to Margot @ 53

Glad to be of assistance.


ThingsComeUndone | Friday January 1, 2010 04:56 pm 59

Any legal challenges to oppose this law, Any political opposition going to fight this? Just what is the political climate in Ireland now? Churches do like to get what they want in Shock Doctrine situations.


MollyNYC | Friday January 1, 2010 05:40 pm 60

Do the offended religions get a piece of the fine? And are offenders liable for punitive damages?

If so — I don’t know how they define a religion in Ireland, but here in the States, a religion is whatever its adherents say it is. If that’s the case in Ireland, an enterprising and/or cynical Irish citizen could start a religion that is very hard to join, but is extremely touchy about every freaking public statement anybody ever makes.

No–now as I think on it, any attempt by a new religion to make a bundle on this law would be crowded out by established religions. As it is, the RCC will be swearing out complaints left and right. If there’s money to be made, you can kiss all their schools and hospitals goodbye: suing blasphemers will become ALL they ever do.


temptingfate | Friday January 1, 2010 06:10 pm 61
In response to gtomkins @ 55

This could actually get pretty funny.

Anglican rails against the Pope: Lawsuit.
Catholic rails against Anglicans worshiping false idols: Lawsuit.
Baptist rails against Scientology: Lawsuit.
Protestant rails against the idea of saints: Multiple lawsuits.
Somebody rails against the chador: Lawsuit.
Each of the winners and losers file countersuits disparaging the winners leading to more lawsuits.

Winner in all rounds, the burgeoning legal profession.

I still think that a political agenda cloaked inside religious trappings could really be interesting. Since the law appears to makes so little sense, perhaps there is another explanation. This could lead to massive chaos with suits and counter suits while excluding atheists, so maybe this is a stealth attack on the goofiness of using the courts to sanctify religious views. Keep the atheists out of the fray as a form of protection. Or maybe not.

No matter what, this is definitely an economic enhancement law. Sort of a high fine speeding law where the limit is fifteen and the road is built for seventy-five. After all, as you say, virtually every religion takes offense to what the other religions propose. Now they get a venue to try to stop the everyone else from bearing false witness.


jimbo | Friday January 1, 2010 08:25 pm 62

Visited Ireland this last September, loved it. My final visit, if this holds. None of the people I met were this stupid.


papau | Friday January 1, 2010 09:48 pm 63
In response to wpzs @ 1

Amazing how predictable – even on as excellent a left wing blog as this one – the response is to the idea of respect toward religion and the religious.

The atheists believe the tenets of their religion must be obeyed by everyone – heck the atheists know they can not prove there is no God – but they believe based only on faith that there is no God – they are quite religious about it and indeed are constantly proselytizing on boards like this one – and doing so with snark and a “I’m smart in my faith and beliefs – you’re not smart in your faith and beliefs”. Indeed one of the tenets of the atheist faith seems to be that they have a right to disrespect other faiths with no reaction permitted by the non-atheists in the room lest those religious folks be told they are not following their religions call to turn the other cheek. I do not know if the implimtation of the new Irish law will be even handed – simply a demand that folks respect one another and refain from “fighting words” (that last is a US legal term – you may want to look up a few court cases – we pretend no words can jusatify a response that is other than words – but juries think otherwise). Or if the Irish law really is an overly heavy-handed way to maintain social behavior that allows a civil society. But then the posters before me can not know how it will be impliminted, can they?

Atheists (4% of population) and non-athiests ( 85% of population – the rest are agnostic or refuse to respond to a request to classify themselves) and the others that bring us to 100% of the progressive liberal camp are able to show respect for one another on all social issues and causes – except atheists demand their faith rule in matters of religion – they demand a right to ridicule the non-atheist religious progressive. God forbid anyone indicate to the atheist that their boorish behavior makes them appear to non-atheist religious progressive folks as folks that one would prefer were on the other side of every progressive issue so we did not have to feel the need for a shower after trying to work with them in issue discussions.

Sad.


hctomorrow | Friday January 1, 2010 10:25 pm 64
In response to papau @ 63

You’re a pathetic troll.

There are (perhaps) Atheists who believe in the absence of God to a degree that might qualify as ‘faith’, at least in theory. I’ve never met or spoken to one.

In the Dawkins scheme, I (along with every other Atheist I’ve ever spoken to), am a ‘de-facto Atheist’. I’m an empiricist, and empirical testing over the fifty thousand years of human history, something like seven thousand of which has been documented in writing of one form or another, has shown not one single, solitary piece of evidence for the existence of God. Or unicorns. Or leprechauns. (I personally conduct empirical testing for the existence of God each and every day with a God-detector we keep on a shelf in the living room.

Hence I don’t believe in any of them. Should evidence be found tomorrow for any of these creatures, I would reevaluate my position accordingly.

This law would prohibit saying anything that might offend someone on their religious beliefs. That’s insanity, not ‘respect’. Though, for the record, why should I have to show respect for anyone, religious or not? Why are religious people, according to Irish law, such wilting wallflowers, such spineless simps, that they need to have their precious feelings protected from any criticism or commentary? This law is infantilizing to religious people.

Boorish behavior? Demand a right to ridicule people? Buddy, I *have* a right to ridicule people and I’ll exercise it as often as I can for as long as I can.

I don’t care how you react, though you do have a right to react of course. I’m not the one supporting a law to spare my precious feelings.


butch | Saturday January 2, 2010 06:58 am 65

The most dangerous concept is organized religion, people are
grouped together and forced to think alike with penalties if
one strays from the dogma.
Blasphemy is the demeaning of the word LOVE, The term “friend”
is also over used in society, friendship is like a diamond, takes
a long time to develop yet as fragile as an egg shell.
If you are fearful of your own godliness you will create a god
that you fear.
Butch


pkkmres | Saturday January 2, 2010 07:05 am 66
In response to papau @ 63

“The atheists believe the tenets of their religion must be obeyed by everyone – heck the atheists know they can not prove there is no God – but they believe based only on faith that there is no God”

I know there is no God just as you know there is no Sun God etc. If you believe in Sun God I can come with some other God that you don’t believe in but someone did before.

But before all of that prove that “God did not ask bin Laden to kill 3000 on 9/11/2001″. Bin Laden claims that God did ask him.


solerso | Saturday January 2, 2010 08:33 am 67
In response to emptywheel @ 3

then point of laws like this isnt to stop “blasphemy”, becuase your right,in Ireland esepecially they whould have to start cutting out tongues. The point of a law like this is, as it always was, to give the church and state which are not separated, a tool to make someone shut up, who they determine needs to be shut up.


mob68 | Saturday January 2, 2010 09:05 am 68

Who is going to be enforcing this law? Will there now a religious police? Welcome to Ireland’s version of Sharia Law. The religious figures in Ireland must be falling over themselves with laughter today. It’s going to be interesting watching how this is handled. I am totally disgusted with the Irish Government, they have shown themselves to be … See Moreuseless at best, and bending to someone else’s agenda. Will the religious groups be getting a cut of the fines paid? Totally disgusting law. The church is a joke in Ireland, a disgrace, a boys club rife with scandal and mental reservation. What a dispirited joke to play on the people of Ireland who have been lied to by both church and state for far too long.


jdlk | Sunday January 3, 2010 10:20 am 69

Ok theres a few misconceptions about this law becuase on the face of it, it looks like a crazy move BUT there is a back story that explains it.

First of all it is not a new law- blasphemy has always been illegal in the Rep of Ireland (since the first constitution in 1937), back then (in a time of religious tension) it was used to protect all forms of Christianity (protestant, catholic etc).

This law pretty much went unnoticed for decades as nobody was every convicted of it.

The problems arose when atheists wanted it removed from the constituion. Now that in itself is not a bad thing but in Ireland we have to have a national referendum in order to change any law in the constitution. Our lawmakers/ministers are not allowed to change any part of the constitution without the vote of the people (A very democratic view Im sure you’ll agree).

So the minister for justice had 2 options; spend millions on a referendum for a law that mos tIrish people had never heard of let alon ever used, or reform the law.

In the current finacial climate and based on the fac tthat nobody uses this law it was deemed better to simply reform it-

Now a person must publish material which has the express intent of causing outrage and offense to a religion- thats act and intent- which is almost impossible to prove.

Therefore the Irish government had simply updated the law to include all religions and worded it in such a way that it is practically impossible to convict somebody of it.

But of course that doesnt make for a sensationalist headline so the articles written on it are of course much more interesting but if you scrath the surface on this story you will see that it is actually a moot point


MsAnnaNOLA | Friday January 8, 2010 12:58 pm 70

OK. I am going to have to boycott Ireland until this is cleared up. I have made one trip there but I can’t imagine anything so backward.

My favorite part of the Daily show when Colbert was still on there was “This week in God” it was the best.

Vague laws should be avoided. Hurt feelings are just that hurt feelings. Don’t take yourself too seriously and you won’t get hurt feelings to begin with.


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