Latest Crazy Conservative Scheme: Have a Baby, Lower Your (Husband’s) Student Loan

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Have a baby and your student loan could be cut by $5,000? Have a baby and your husband’s student loan could be cut, too! WTF? That sounds sorta creepy, like turning college educated women’s wombs into cash cows, and it’s an idea being suggested by the Family Research Council.

At a recent Family Research Council lecture, Allan Carlson–president of the conservative Howard Center for Family, Religion and Society that operates the right wing World Congress of Families–proposed  paying

up to $5,000 per baby born, or one-quarter of each parents’ outstanding loan balances, to reduce the financial burden he claims is preventing debt-laden young married couples from starting families…adoptions would also qualify, but like births, would be capped at a maximum of four children — twice the current average birth rate for U.S. women. That could net recent graduates $40,000 in total loan forgiveness from the federal government.

The idea was one of the solutions suggested to boost the U.S. birth rate among college student loan-strapped couples at a recent Family Research Council policy lecture.

From a conservative standpoint this is a bad idea: It could cost the government between $8 and $10 billion dollars, according to Carlson. Where would that money come from? Tax increases? Mmm, not a big conservative shout out for that idea. And gosh, with two to four kids in this economy, mom’s gonna have to work to help out, and that means the kids go to day care…another conservative bugbear.

And from the liberal side, we have the very clear realization that men don’t get pregnant; ergo they are turning their wives into debt-reducing baby making machines.

But wonder if this nifty plan would apply to gay and lesbian couples who are legally married?

Adoption does count…and in California you can legally adopt an adult! Adds a weird angle on polyamory, like a couple adopts their adult third and maybe fourth wheel as their debt reduction…Somehow I don’t think that’s what Carlson has in mind!

What about sleazebags who have kids, get the credit and bail, like “welfare moms” in reverse? “College-loan dads” marrying and breeding/adopting to get a discount on loans, then moving on with each advanced degree?

And do you have to be married for this to apply? Could a single woman have kids and get her college loan reduced? Could her child’s father also claim a loan discount? Do you have to have the kid in wedlock, or could you have a baby, then marry and ask for a loan reduction?  Do you have to marry the actual father? Can you marry someone and then adopt their kid(s) and get a reduction? What if you divorce after you get the reduction? Wouldn’t having to stay married be like prior restraint?

All speculation aside, the reality is that unemployment rates for recent graduates topped 10.6 percent in Sept. and college seniors’ average debt loads rose to $23,200. But Carlson and the Family Research Council don’t seem to care about that, beyond how it furthers their own agenda, which appears to be pretty anti-woman. In his lecture sponsored by the FRC, Carlson blamed

the “growing obstacle to marriage and children” as a manifestation of more women attending college and insisting on marrying men with equal post-secondary education achievement.

God forbid you a woman wants an education and wants to marry someone with one! How uppity! Carlson discussed the 34 percent decline in birth rates among women with an undergraduate degree between 1984-1995, explaining

The anti-natalist, or anti-birth trend, may also be associated in part with rising debt levels and financial stress, including student loanss

Carlson charges this decline as irrefutable proof of

a special anti-natalist force is now at work among the young college education and the evidence points to student loan debt

as the cause of the declining birth rate. Special Agent Connie Trapective of the Anti-Natalist Task Force reporting for duty, let me check your proof of birth control before registering for your MA program. WTF?

Carlson neglected to mention the Census report which discovered that during the same time period, there was a 14% per cent decline in birthrates among 1,000 non-college educated women. And as RH Reality Check points out in their excellent post, Carlson never brought up

effects of lobbying by the Family Research Council and other conservatives against expanded family leave or efforts to abolish gender disparity in wages and benefits, and insufficient maternal health insurance options that directly dissuade couples from having children.

This is such a crackpot scheme…Maybe the FRC, the Howard Center for Family, Religion and Society and the World Council of Families wants to fund it themselves if they think it’s such a great idea!

24 Responses to "Latest Crazy Conservative Scheme: Have a Baby, Lower Your (Husband’s) Student Loan"
Lisa Derrick | Tuesday December 15, 2009 10:52 am 1

Hmmm, I’ve been wanting to go back to school..oh wait I’d have to get married?! N/M


OldFatGuy | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:01 am 2

Jeebus.

I’ve gotta hand it to the right wing. Every time I think they can’t get any crazier….

Nevermind. I’m getting a little tired of breaking those barriers.

If there is a just and moral God, why do we have right wingers?


Becca | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:01 am 3

That’s sheer lunacy. Raising a baby costs way the hell more than $5k a year.

Even more if you avail yourself of pre- and post-natal health care services… and it costs more still if, as nearly 50 million Americans happen to be, you have no insurance.

And if that child should have medical problems…


demi | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:03 am 4

Why do they want us to keep having babies?


georgewalton | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:04 am 5

Did the Republicans specify the race of the baby?

Is there a sterilization “buy in” for those on the wrong end of the color spectrum?


posaune | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:09 am 6

sounds like Himmler’s idea fur die Vaterland!


qweryous | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:15 am 7

Wow!

Hope there is not a ‘Faith Based’ component to this should it be approved.

Hard to imagine what could go wrong with this idea.

Coming next week: ?? Don’t even want to think about that.

Larry Craig, David Vitter, and John Ensign can’t wait to shill for this idea on the floor of the senate.


kt2kelly | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:20 am 8
In response to georgewalton @ 5

We all know this about the soon to be minority caucasions.This is just another plan by the christian far right delusionists.


alan1tx | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:21 am 9

Only if they give people at the other end of the spectrum a $5000 loan cut to have an abortion.

Fair is fair.


qweryous | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:24 am 10

Ensure that children get adequate health care? thats crazy!

Temperatures rising? thats crazy!

Dinosaurs 50 million years ago? thats crazy!

Carbon dioxide pollutes the air? thats crazy!

AS OPPOSED TO:

Animals two by two on some ark floating on the sea: …

Global warming is a liberal plot:…

The economy started going downhill real fast after that Obama got elected:…

Lets pay people for making more babies:…


kt2kelly | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:30 am 11
In response to qweryous @ 10

Lets not forget that the Earth is only 6000 years old.


Synoia | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:32 am 12

This is discriminination, as it’s a proposal only for women. Equal Rights for Men! Men should be paid $5,000 for producing viable sperm….


kt2kelly | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:34 am 13

Boy it is something the way all these minority groups get everything they ask for and these fucking Demo-rats need 60 votes to do the work for the people that put them there.


Nathan Aschbacher | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:40 am 14

There aren’t enough engineers and computer scientists employed in policy making or policy think-tanks. That, or critical-thinking, logic diagraming, and operations research need to become fundamental cornerstones of whatever fields of study policy wonks tend to pursue.


qweryous | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:40 am 15
In response to kt2kelly @ 11

I’m concerned about carpal tunnel if I try to present even a representative sample…had to settle for just enough to….


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:47 am 16

This idea is even flawed from a conservative perspective! That’s what makes it even crazier. But like I said, if the groups behind it want to pay for it, rather than the government, they should go for it!


OldFatGuy | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:48 am 17
In response to qweryous @ 15

Let me guess, that was really a response to 12, and not 11?


OldFatGuy | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:52 am 18
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 16

LOL, I’m pretty sure they’re not advocating paying for it.

The only thing rightwingers hate more than the government paying for shit for regular people is paying for shit for regular people themselves.


qweryous | Tuesday December 15, 2009 11:58 am 19
In response to Nathan Aschbacher @ 14

There is some logic here unfortunately.

Always check, is it a bug or a feature:
From the post:

“And as RH Reality Check points out in their excellent post, Carlson never brought up

“effects of lobbying by the Family Research Council and other conservatives against expanded family leave or efforts to abolish gender disparity in wages and benefits, and insufficient maternal health insurance options that directly dissuade couples from having children.” ”

Suppose that there is some built in support system that might allow some citizens to bypass these problems; yet would continue to constrain births among the remainder of the populace.

Such as:
1. certain females being ‘educated’ in various ways that barefoot, young, uneducated, and in the kitchen with lots of kids is part of a ‘great plan’ of some kind.

Such as:
2. ‘edjukate’ the kids produced by 1. at home or private school ‘safe’ from corrupting influence.

Now repeat 1 and 2.

Self indoctrination and reproduction of more of the same will be the result.

Conclusion: suspicion that this is not a ‘bug’ but instead a ‘feature’.

Whether planned that way, or present due to a failure of analytical skills..that analysis has little impact on the result.


qweryous | Tuesday December 15, 2009 12:01 pm 20
In response to OldFatGuy @ 17

Hmmm…


qweryous | Tuesday December 15, 2009 12:06 pm 21
In response to demi @ 4

If you are reading this…then you are not the intended participant in this plan (in the baby production at least).

But you still can do your part!

Send your tax dollars only please.
And rest assured that this is NOT socialism!


constantweader | Tuesday December 15, 2009 12:14 pm 22

Nothing about they have to be white evangelical babies? Or is this what abstinence-only education is really about? — they WANT teenaged white girls to have unintended pregnancies, the better to fill their churches with.

Let the Family Research Council start their own baby-making fund if they’re so interested in increasing the birth rate; not my tax dollars, puh-leze. And my contributions to Planned Parenthood should help equalize the Christian conservative baby mill.

The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com


conniptionfit | Tuesday December 15, 2009 03:38 pm 23

What if you’re brown, do you still get the loan reduction? What if you’re white, but your husband and babies are brown? What if you’re Jewish? Or Muslim? Or Atheist? What if you’re (gasp) Liberal, would you still qualify?
This idea sounds like it came from Sarah Palinthsr


ichbineinberliner | Tuesday December 15, 2009 04:04 pm 24
In response to posaune @ 6

It is remarkably similar to the “Ehestandsdarlehen” of the Third Reich, isn’t it?
(but it’s “das Vaterland” ;-))


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