But doesn’t God want them to kill off the whole planet?

Mmmm, let’s see–conservatives are opposed to family planning, but want everyting fo themselves…that doesnt really work out, but they want to breed more of themselves to take over the world form all the Not Thems who are breeding?

Uh Lisa how many hungry kids could we save if we all gave up meat? I confess I am guilty but how much more food would there be then even assuming we got enough protein from plants?

so wouldnt it be easier to just let the Not Thems who want family planning have it?

lisa! rush, the titular head of the r party is indeed the head of the party of death. death seems to be their answer to everything lately.

Hey Snark long time no see how is the college search going?

My response to Limbaugh:

Rush, you stupid fat pederastic fuck, why don’t you eat your own goddamned microphone and go on a permanent OxyContin/Viagra bender in the Dominican Republic until they haul your miserable bloated carcass off in a wheelchair to its final and richly deserved rest?

I remember a family planning person, a guy, in hte area that I worked in Kenya back in the late 70′s. He thought that women should have at least 5 kids before stopping. In the area where he lived the average household was about 11. There were many cultural reasons to have the large families: not all children survived; on farms the older children performed labor; and it spoke to the manhood of the husband. On one island in Lake Victoria there was one fellow with 75 wives and about 250 kids. Theink of the parent-teacher conferences!

Mr. Revkin, why don’t you just go kill yourself and help the planet by dying?

Don’t suppose there’s a snowball chance in hell Rushbo would take his own advice, would he? Talk about helping all of humanity….

Hey, SK. Been enjoying your recent blogs. I see you’ve graduated to gratuitous use of the f-bomb.

But doesn’t God want them to kill off the whole planet?

Thats what the fundies think will bring back Christ. The Elect are us who though few in number defend the planet against One World Corporation Government!

If we cut out one or two meat meals a week, that would make a huge difference…

But from the people they vote for, it looks to me as if the Elect want One World Corporation Government.

Jeffrey Sachs in The End to Poverty points out that by providing women wiht lving wages obs in thrid world countries (usually textile work), they don;t need to marry to become less of a burden to their families. Because they arent married off, they dont have kids so soon, and thus have fewer kids.

lisa! rush, the titular head of the r party is indeed the head of the party of death. death seems to be their answer to everything lately.

Good observation. Indeed why?

It’s not about life or abortion per se. It’s primitive domination of women and full quivers.Haven’at seen much about the Quiverfull movement lately. I imagine they are out with the Tea Baggers.

That is what occurred to me. Unfortunately, if the good die young Rush will be here for a long, long time.

Haven’at seen much about the Quiverfull movement lately.

As of about a month ago, the Duggars had another bundle on the way.

sort of like wanting health care for your family but no one else.

It is proper and correct use of the f-bomb, thank you very much!

College apps are going well. I had alumni interviews for both Princeton and Vassar last week, and Tulane is tomorrow.

Any Princeton grads here at the lake?

what is “Quiverfull” and do I want to know?

Ha! Tulane. That is where I met my first hubby. And New Orleans is real.

I know a guy on the anthropology faculty at Tulane. If turning nondescript rocks into surprisingly @#!!*&% sharp tools is your cup of tea, he’s your man.

When the Pill hit the market in ’64 it did more to empower women than any other invention in history. “Social conservatives” are still pissed off about that.

I suspect their opposition to abortion has more to do with making women subservient than protecting the unborn, since the same people are typically opposed to sex-ed and contraception, the two things that would reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and help diffuse the abortion issue.

My formulation of this is: PT = CI, where P is population, T is level of technology, C is resource consumption, and I is environmental impact. In other words, higher populations at higher technological levels require both greater use of resources and entail more severe environmental impacts. The variables are not independent of each other. Given our present level of technology, for example, we are rapidly approaching a wall in terms of energy consumption and water use. Even with much greater environmental impacts this is true. What this means is that our current world is unsustainable and if we do not curb our population voluntarily and drastically, disease, famine, and war will.

Hey! So macho.

But, check out how fast our Central and South American neighbors are getting with the program.

This is getting seriously competitive! GO USA!!!

The Quiverfull movement is a group of blasted irresponsible fundie ideologues who think the best possible thing they can do for the planet is produce the largest number of babies they can. Kind of an informal Malthusian stock brokerage gambling with everyone’s future.

quiverful movement wiki

Seriously, Lisa. Are you LHP? Nobody has been as lousy a speller as she since she went missing.

Does he look chipper?

I prefer 4-lane, myself.

The article I quoted goes on to explain that the carbon footprint for a baby in the US is far greater than for a baby in China. And here we have people like Jon and Kate (PUKE) and the Duggars (doublePUKE) having um, lots…

The Dominican Republic has the 2nd, 3rd,? highest AIDS rate in the Western Hemisphere thanks to the sex trade.But Rush hates Brown Women.
Why go there with Viagra unless you want boys? Florida, Texas, California has less AIDS and more Brown Women the price is higher but Rush with a 100 million dollar contract could afford it.
Given all that Rush has said about Gays he must have known that fact, but still he went. Why for Viagra? the guy Doctor shops for Oxy in numbers that could overdose an entire high shchool (my high school was small granted) still he could have scored that here in America.
The Process of Eimination suggests the only thing he could get in the Dominican Republic that he could not get in America is a wide selection of boys.
After all finding whores in America is not that hard

i can vouch that lisa is not lhp — last i heard lhp was tending her garden on the east coast — lisa is in the la area

Exact Numbers would be a talking point Operation Rice Bowl did have an impact and I only went to Sunday school.

I read today that Octomom thinks Jon Gosselin is “hot.” I hope Kate ties his wing-ding in a knot before that hook-up can happen.

ewwww *hitting brain bleach button*

repeatedly even

I have some finger and wrist issues which make my lack of coordination even worse, If I type reeeeeeealllly slowly I can be sorta accurate.

The Majority of People will support the evil one in the End Times or else how will the Anti Christ be so popular ?

Oh that just ruined my appetite…

OK!

Oh, god. Don’t do that. Our brains gain IQ points with having to puzzle thing out!

All this assumes that one presumes a late first-century anti-Roman apocalyptic screed to be a literal prediction of the future…which I don’t.

Oh, God, you mean her fifteen minutes aren’t over yet?

Snark maybe you should get college reffs from from a few PhD at the Lake sorry I can’t help you.

which one interests you most cassie?

Who cares tell me its all hopeless tell me the world will end next week I will still try to do whats right kicking and screaming when the Dems gave up after 9/11 I found my way here to the Lake to fight against the dying of the Light!

I get a good laugh form this: the oldest piece of Revelation of John ever foudn gives the Number of the Beast as 616 NOT 666. It’s beleive dby some Bible scholars that a clever copiest who knew numerology/gematria changed the number to 666 which allegedly translates to Nero.

So know we have all these rock bands and movies and would-be tattooed bad-asses (not to mention a few newer faiths based on the triple 6) using the WRONG number

Don’t Worry, Be Hopi!

Best question of the night! President or whatever she decides whatever her choice we can help. We won’t be disappointed. But if you let us we can help.

Actually, the number of the beast has been changed. 666 now belongs to a Chinese takeaway.

I’m pretty sure the pill hit the market c. ’60/61. MDs were instantly prescribing it to college girls “for their complexions”.

First I knew of it was from an article in Cosmo/Mademoiselle or some such in early ’61. Very important new info – I remember it well.

And 616…well, let’s not even go there.

Unless she pops out 10-12 adorable lil’ Gosselins next year.

Divide any Prime number by 3 the end result if you go to the third decimal either ends in .333 or .666 the pattern alternates with a double .333 or .666 at intervals I can’t figure out yet.

Octomom’s doctor has been expelled form his professinal assosication

…eight times.

How many kids could be saved if Rush ate his healthy weight? 3, 4 ?

Would we even need birth control If everyone ate plants?

You are correct.

-first approved for contraceptive use in the United States in 1960

I was thinking it coincided with the official end of the “Baby Boom,” in ’64. Probably took four years for use to become sufficiently widespread.

Thank Goddess.

Judging from that picture, Rush has been eating his healthy weight. On a daily basis.

LOL (oh, maybe you aren’t joking)

True but unwanted Babies being born did reduce the crime rate.

Uh, yes! There are women who like to have sex and don’t want to have babies. What plants are you eating tonight? I hear some herbs make a great tea. *g*

Why, was everybody too tired to steal?

How many calories does it take to keep a man his sized at that weight? How many calories does a baby need Great TV talking point if the MSM would ever dare ask you.
Assuming of course wanted to get to a healthy weight for his size.

Seems like whenever I see a recent picture he has slimmed down considerably.

What’s interesting is that Rush has no children himself. He keeps cats. Perhaps the women he married decided his genome was not worth perpetrating into the next generation. Or perhaps he himself has decided that having children might slice a little bit into his wealth and lifestyle “choices”. He’s definitely a hedonist…and not travelling to the Dominican Republic for the opulent lifestyle.

Interesting as well is that he’s never had any known cases of illegitimate heirs claiming “Papa Rush” should be sending them child support.

So why isn’t Rush telling his ditto-heads to go “ditto” themselves and follow El Rushbo’s example…whatever that is? Self-sterility? Asexuality? Impotence? Dominican pool boys? Or excellent contraception?

You’re move Rush!

ratfood-

Up-and-down dieting probably expends more calories than simply getting fat and maintaining it.

He cannot do that.

It’s not in his contract nor within his soul.

He would laugh at anyone who suggested he cared about another human being.

People would be wise to forget about dieting and target weights and simply make healthy living and fitness their goal.

This seems somewhat relevant.

Heather Graham Pitches Public Option In New Ad

-the spot casts Graham as a “public option” sprinter in race against “bloated” private insurers from CIGNA, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, United Health and Humana.

About 20 of the 24 essential amino acids are available from plants. Two are endogenously produced or available from animal protein. The remaining two are available from only very rare plants, or (more widespread) animal sources. My understanding is that these are critical for proper neural development in developing foetuses. Primates have lost the capability of self-producing them from other amino acids…but the frugivorous and leaf-eating species get them from eating insects. But human babies would require a lot more in terms of quantity because of our larger brain.

Many cultures replace the need for large amounts of mammal meat in their diet by substituting fish, arthropods or even insects (or grubs). No human society goes entirely without animal protein, though some use things like raw honey (which often includes larvae and larval sacs) or milk.

Oh, Rat. Do you work at a gym too? We don’t use the D word. It is all about healthy decisions. I’m big on the Portions thingy, myself.

I’m doing the FDL garlic lemonade thing right now but I think men more than women want sex no kids. There is a male sterotype about us being dogs.
Still marrying a guy implies sex and kids right or why bother? Rush as a very rich guy, and well having his kid Rush given his weight dies soon any of his 3 wives and X amount of girl friends in between well they should have tried to have his kid right?
I have seen several Mcdonalds Mangers (not Lefties) gotten caught in this trap and they made waayyy less than Rush.
3 wives X amount of girl friends no kids X in between no the Guy is Sterile or Gay.

It did take a while. In 1960, contraception was a socially unacceptable topic of conversation, even among friends. I think Helen Gurley Brown’s major contribution to the culture of the time was her open discussions of the topic in print.

Her “Sex and the Single Girl” ’62 was a blockbuster – even had good recipes!. She is one of my personal heroes.

Nah, I’ve probably gained and lost over a thousand pounds in my life. Slowly getting smart about such things. A sustainable healthy lifestyle is the key.

Heading out, Bob and I bid you adieu.

G’nite, bob and rat.

g’nite rat and bob

and not travelling to the Dominican Republic for the opulent lifestyle.

opulent lifestyle words like AIDS spring to mind which ok granted would explain his recent weight loss.

Ok some meat but even then not as Much as Americans or Rush are eating now.

Rat & Bob ’12!

If I wasn’t heading out as well, ’cause I finished my 1/2 cup of rice with vegetables and a little cheese, I’d ask you to buy me something to drink. I think I’ll pass on the garlic lemonade, tho.
Chowski, y’all.

Ok explain why he traveled so far with Viagara

g’nite demi

New galleries of the history of contraception — they are beautiful and opened in Sept. 2009.

Chris

Try it Demi

http://www.case.edu/affil/skuyhistcontraception/index.html

Sorry! Here is the link.

how cool ce

Perhaps another time. I’m too tired to be adventuresome tonight. I’ve got some ginger ale. The soda, not the beer.

Thanks Suzanne! MrCE is very proud.

he should be. gorgeous intelligent eye and brain candy

Ok won’t force you :)

Beautiful. Thanks Chris.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2152735_garlic-lemonade-cold-flu.html

Bring one quart of pure water to a boil in a saucepan. While heating the water, coarsely chop the garlic.

Step
2
Remove boiling water from heat, and add garlic. Cover and let steep for 30 minutes.

Step
3
Strain the water into the quart jar. Dispose of the garlic.

Step
4
Squeeze into the jar the juice of 1 large or 2 small lemons. Pour the warm garlic lemonade into a teacup, and sweeten with honey to taste (1-2 tablespoons).

Step
5
Sip on this throughout the day. It may be reheated over low heat on the stove if desired, but do not boil or heat in the microwave, as these methods destroy the vitamin C and the helpful properties of the garlic.

Ooops, this is what I get for spouting science outside my area without using a reference. Here’s a good, simple discussion of sources of the EIGHT essential amino acids. Note however that the endogenous synthesis of the NON-ESSENTIAL AA’s occur in adults….not children. And endogenous production might not be at levels that sustain an active, growing or stressed individual.

Some of the essentials are available from things like yeast (which are killed organisms…although many vegetarians would not blink an eye at consuming them). Others are available from animal by products or AVOCADOS. If we all went veggie I suspect that avocado plantations would be the next big thing in the rainforest.

Some are available in small quantities from other plants, but you’d need to eat a lot of cacao or chocolate seeds to get the necessary amounts. Of course these could be processed into “non-animal” sourced multivitamins.

Humans CAN cut back on animal meat consumption by a lot, but an occasional fish or chicken is really what prevents many families from falling into malnutrition since they don’t have access to other foods.

Thanks Sunny — contraception is such an important global issue. And until I knew women right here in little Ohio were being denied, I thought little about it. I mean, we WON that battle in 1970.

Hi all… popping into this thread to see if anyone here knows if Jane is okay… she’s been absent for a while and I’m just a little worried.

Wanted to post far enough down in a thread that I don’t alarm people… or start rumors.

Just checking to see if anyone has heard…

she was on msnbc today — as far as i know she is ok. still grieving kobe but ok

I actually don’t think that overpopulation is our biggest issue. Inefficiency, underdevelopment, inequality in the distribution of wealth and resources, tribalism and corruption deplete more resources than mere numbers. Yes, the world is getting crowded but it’s carrying capacity would be a lot higher if only structural imbalances, injustices and inequities can be even slightly mitigated. Of course, I am a great supporter of universal contraception access, family planning and sex ed – such access should be universal entitlements.. but we also should be careful not to see such things as necessary just so those who live with way too much in the developed world can keep on using 3 to 5 times their entitlement of carbon emissions (we’re the 5x, by the way). Relatively small changes in lifesyle for most middle and upper income members of the developed world – the top 10% slice of humanity – would reduce our collective developed world footprint by 2/3rds – using transit, flying no more than once or twice a year, etc, and probably increase the planet’s carrying capacity over time by over 30%. For example.

Of course, if the world’s Rethugs, reactionaries, tribalists thugs, and fundamentalists would like to follow Boss Limpbark’s recommendation or move to Uranus, I would welcome it.

Cool… so glad to hear. She has not posted in a long time… must be busy with other things.

When did Kobe pass?

My beautiful boy Kingie a week ago Monday… he was a 14 yo Shepherd/collie mix that I rescued 10 yrs ago from a chaing. Sweetest boy every… I know I will see him again but it is tough to not have him around… I see him everywhere.

Meant to say “I lost my beautiful boy Kingie a week ago Monday…”

If Rushes mother had only used contraception !

this past sat — she has a post up at sem with an update

i’m so sorry for your loss

Thanks Suzanne… your replies are much appreciated.

It’s interesting Connecticut was so far behind the ball on birth control. If it were just the poor who had to do without contraception, it would probably still be illegal.

In the mid ’60s, my newly married friends often planned to teach for a year or two to amass a down payment. If they became pregnant, they were required to quit teaching as soon as they “showed”. Not that long ago.

A little off topic but it was a third world pharmaceutical company using American researchers that “broke” the monopoly of the big Euro-Pharma’s on contraceptive steroids. In 1930s, scientists had already isolated and determined the structure of the animal steroid hormones and found that high doses of androgens, estrogens or progesterone inhibited ovulation. The Euro-Pharmas charged outrageous amounts for these.

Just before WWII, Russell Marker, a chemist at Pennsylvania State, found a method of synthesizing progesterone from plants (initially sarsaparilla). Three years later he discovered a cheaper source nd method, extracting the saponin from inedible Mexican yams (Dioscorea mexicana) found in the rain forests of Veracruz near Orizaba. His research sponsor Parke-Davis showed no interest,so Marker left Penn State and in 1944 co-founded Syntexs in Mexico City. Syntex broke the monopoly of European pharmaceutical companies on steroidses, and the price of progesterone plummeted 200-fold over the next decade.

Early in 1951, reproductive physiologist Gregory Pincus met Margaret Sanger of Planned Parenthood (PPFA). Pincus used a small grant from PPFA to begin hormonal contraceptive research that demonstrated injections of progesterone suppressed ovulation in rabbits. That year G. D. Searle & Company refused Pincus’ request to fund his contraceptive research.To make a long story short, after many efforts to obtain funding from recalcitrant Big Pharma -Pincus’s colleagues C. Chang and Rock found the three most promising compounds were Syntex’s norethindrone and Searle’s norethynodrel and norethandrolone.

Chemists Carl Djerassi, Luis Miramontes, and George Rosenkranz at Syntex in Mexico City had synthesized the first orally highly active progestin norethindrone in 1951. Pincus and Rock selected Searle’s norethynodrel for the first contraceptive trials in women, citing its total lack of androgenicity versus Syntex’s norethindrone’s very slight androgenicity in animal tests. But ultimately Djerassi’s version showed greater success and was adopted.

wow

The first-world lifestyle takes five planet Earths to be sustained. The recent reaction of pretty much all governments to the recent spike in global food prices suggests we have little solidarity with the extreme poor. It´s A-OK politically for 1.3 billion people to live destitute and in constant food insecurity. This is wrong, of course, but hey, not my prob, Dude. Perhaps humanity is headed for an end analogous to what happens every few weeks to the mice population in the Bread House at the San Diego Zoo (i.e. they breed and feast like crazy and eventually eat themselves out of house and home; at which point they are fed to the snakes).

Nobody wants violent depopulation events, but the problem of stabilizing the global population by non-Malthusian means has largely received short shrift. If population is discussed in international forums, it is something modest like maybe smaller families might be a nice idea. The Gates Foundation, for example, is looking at benign means of population control such as education for girls, guaranteeing a small pension for every person on the planet, improvements in children´s health, etc., that conceivably could put a ceiling on world population at 8 billion while improving our lot generally. The fact that all political and religious systems in recent times have been predicated on economic and population growth doesn´t help. As recently as a decade ago, advertising archetypes included the Dad who takes his youngin´s out for huntin´n´fishin´ and other such layin´waste to the countryside toolin´about in some huge vehicle. As movements such as the Quiverfulls suggest, there is a strong ideological temptation to beggar-thy-neighbor by flaunting any implicit two-child-per-couple policy. Even worse, the law is dreadfully behind the curve on this. The US Supreme Court, even in the Age of Octomom, treats procreation as a fundamental right that never attenuates — even after the 18th kid.

put another way, we in the US should only be allowed to complain about India’s birth rate after we reduce our annual capita carbon footprint from 23 tons of CO2 a year to a still greedily abusive 6 tons (most of the planet makes do with about 1.5 tons), and our per capita daily use of water from 120+ gallons of water a day to a still luxurious 30 gallon. (half of humanity only gets to use 10 gallons or less a day). If we still think the planet is overcrowded and resources are depleting after we all make these perfectly reasonable lifestyle changes, then let’s talk about poor people having too many babies…

Fascinating. Thanks cinnamonape.

Wow! Can you do this off the top of your head? I’m super impressed!

The Comstock Laws were all over the country. There were dozens of efforts over the years to repeal it in Connecticut, which had a bit more Catholic population than elsewhere in the Northeast. Griswold realized that it would be a good “test case” with changing mores regarding women after WW2. They could have tried it in the deep South or Mid-West but the view was that if the succeeded they had a nationwide law…if they failed they had created enough of a debate to eradicate the Connecticut Comstock Law.

Rush Limbaugh doesn’t need birth control; he IS birth control.

He has no children of his own. He does however, have a rather stout and hefty carbon ass print.

You know your stuff!

Lisa, thanks. Great topic!

This is something be chirped on the left every so often, usually by Thom Hartmann. Helping developing nations with birth control could help. But this is mostly something that’s coming from White People, hmmm. They also say we should stop eating meat because of all the cows and pigs farting around the planet create green house gas, how stupid.

This is a MESS largely created by the Industrial Age and years of putting it off. Minorities didn’t power nor now control the great industrial power(s) in the world, umm who does? I shouldn’t have to tell you.

So now we’re just to suppose to stop having children because you say it will help the planet?

This is the unnerving part about the Green Movement, most of the voices are…. The only notable person of color in the Green Debate is Van Jones and last I heard he isn’t advocating Government Enforced Birth Control ala China or Japan no matter what the UN data shows.

This also goes along with telling China they can’t burn anymore coal or telling India the same thing and not to build cheap cars like the Tata because it would put more fossil burning cars on the road.

Since when did Developed Nations know everything? Isn’t this LARGELY their FAULT? The EU and United States should spend time telling its people don’t pro-create and see what kind of reaction you get…

Can’t wait for a planet without Limbaugh. Neither can the planet.

Anyone remember how important ZPG was back in the late 60′a – early 70′s?

Interestingly, ZPG, which gets almost no discussion, has been a partial success. World population growth has been on a steady downward trend since the early 1970s. The problem is that even at today´s lower rate of population growth, we are still adding about one Germany (80 million people) a year. Given the current glide path, the world population peaks at 10 billion in 2050, with the US population somewhere around 420 million. Ray Kurzweil expects several changes before that. 1) Life extension as machines and humans merge. 2) A world government by 2020. 3) Delinking of humans from biological determinants around 2045, when augmented beings might start to keep people like pets. In such circumstances, they might have no qualms about culling the herd to a manageable size of a billion or less.

It’s because every prime number is either one whole number or two whole numbers greater than a number divisible by 3. If P (“prime”) – 1 can be divided evenly by 3, the repeating decimal in P/3 is .33333[...]; if P – 2 can be evenly divided by 3 the repeating decimal is .6666[...]. The intervals are currently random. If you find a pattern and a way to predict which prime comes where, you’ll be a very wealthy person.

This has been another production of “way more math than you ever wanted to look at, from a mathematician who has nothing better to do with himself.”

“Uh, yes! There are women who like to have sex and don’t want to have babies.”

That’s not what Ronaldus Maximus told me when I was in school!

Barely got through math Philosophy major:)

Besides .666 the number of the beast .333 the holy trinity you don’t see a connection the Greeks would have easy.

Rush Limbaugh’s response:

Mr. Revkin, why don’t you just go kill yourself and help the planet by dying?

And he wonders why the NFL wants no part of him.

He’s simply pathetic.

Until these heteros quit breeding like rabbits…;

What happened to the tolerant, understanding and open mindedness that you libs claim you have? Oh that’s right!!! You are only tolerant, understanding and open minded to people who AGREE WITH YOU!

You people are so disingenuous it is sickening.

What’s it like to go around having so much anger and hatred? I feel sorry for you… I really do.

No, no, no, you silly person! You must send missionaries to Africa and to wherever the other not thems are and convert them. Then you can let them die in poverty with a peaceful heart because they will go to heaven instead of hell. But you must not allow birth control because every pregnancy is God’s will. If you are wondering why God would want more kids to be born into poverty or to go to hell if the missionaries don’t get to them in time, you haven’t been reading up much on the God these types of Christians believe in.