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Late Night: Let’s Just Call it Terrorism

George Tiller was assassinated by someone who opposed him on political and moral grounds. That’s terrorism, according to the dictionary

terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)

Scott Roeder the man who shot and killed Dr George Tiller in church, on a Sunday, was politically, religiously and morally opposed to Tiller performing abortions. Roeder’s faith-fueled hatred was incited, nurtured and enhanced with a heady combo of  media propaganda and religious messaging.

Kansas blog The Pitch posted this: 

Someone using the name "Scott Roeder" posted this comment on Operation Rescue’s Web site in May 2007.

Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.

Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.

On Novemember 1, in San Diego rightwing fundamentalist Lou Engle of  TheCall held a huge rally as part of the battle against Prop 8. At the rally Engle also called for anti-abortion martyrs; $146,000 was raised in offerings. Bruce Wilson on Talk2 Action writes:

In the early 1980’s, KKK and Aryan Nations strategist Louis Beam helped popularize a tactic known as "leaderless resistance" in which high profile propagandists would incite terrorist acts carried out by autonomous individuals and cell groups. Lou Engle’s inflammatory TheCall antiabortion rhetoric conforms with Beam’s tactic; Engle merely incites.

The media, specifically Bill O’Reilly, incited against Tiller, and Roeder was a fan of O’Reilly.  

CBS’s Jeff Glor reported:

We did speak with the accused shooters’ ex-wife yesterday. She said she was not surprised this happened and that she believed Roeder wanted to be a martyr for the cause.

Christian Newswire reports that Lou Engle will join Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee on GodTV.com to discuss Gingrich’s book Rediscovering God in America. Says Gingrich about the broadcast which airs Thursday June 4 at 8.30pm and Friday June 5 at 8am (Eastern):

There is no attack on American culture that is more destructive or more historically dishonest than the secular Left’s relentless effort to drive God out of America’s public square. I wrote Rediscovering God in America as a response to the 9th District Federal Court of Appeals’ ruling that the phrase ‘one nation, under God’ as part of the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional. This event aims to ignite people of faith to again engage the culture as we reclaim the centrality of God in American life.

Igniting, inciting, raising emotions to a frothing killing fury using the Divine as a reason to murder is terrorism, pure and simple.  Roeder is a terrorist–and while he maybe bughouse loony, the same argument of "crazy" can used to explain while teenagers strap bombs to their bodies and set them off in crowds.

Any God that says you must kill to prove your faith is not God–that’s the other team suggesting you pull the trigger.

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112 Responses to "Late Night: Let’s Just Call it Terrorism"
Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:09 pm 1

Any God that says you must kill to prove your faith is not God–that’s the other team suggesting you pull the trigger.

amen lisa amen.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:10 pm 2

To further elaborate, if another public figure who say, advocated putting up Xmas displays in public parks was gunned down by an atheist, we’d be hearing TERRORIST right and left–so to speak…


Teddy Partridge | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:10 pm 3

Anderson Cooper tells me that the “execution” of the soldier outside a recruiting station is “domestic terrorism” but that Dr Tiller was “murdered” by an “alleged assailant.”

I think we can tell the difference here, especially when it comes to the hue of the malefactor.


DrBong | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:10 pm 4

My email exchange with crazy uncle from Kansas:

From: Crazy KS Uncle
To: DrBong

if am not surprised someone did it. Under the right circumstances I might have done it. He was going to church but Satan was his leader. 60,000 abortions he did. Jesus did not lead him to do those. His killer? God help him. He save countless future lives. God may have used him … but I don’t believe that. Tiller? Good riddance.

—– Original Message —–
From: DrBong
To: Crazy KS Uncle
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:47 PM
Subject: Just guessing

I’m not on your short list of high fives for abortion doctor killers…


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:12 pm 5

whoa…that’s intense. Must make holidays fun


Eli | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:13 pm 6
In response to DrBong @ 4

The common theme I see is (at best) “Murder is bad but I’m glad he’s dead.”


Eli | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:14 pm 7

Sorry I stole your post, Lisa. You recovered nicely, tho.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:15 pm 8
In response to Eli @ 6

The clause after the conjunction somehow keeps making me wonder about the writer’s commitment to the clause before the conjunction.


questioneverything | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:15 pm 9

Women need to speak up about pregnancy being forced on them–by dates, boyfriends, husbands. In some parts of the world, rape is condoned by the tribe, the culture, and the country. Women are property, women are treated as slaves and chattel. Guess what? Unwanted pregnancies result. If men got pregnant, birth control would be in soda pop. The world needs to wake up. White hateful men cause this problem and religious zealots continue to deny that women have a right to their own bodies. This is 2009? My god, give me a break.


DrBong | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:15 pm 10
In response to Eli @ 6

Pretty much. My reply to that was not all flowers and candy as you might expect.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:18 pm 11
In response to Eli @ 7

Great ninds think alike, Eli! NP, I should have posted that story this morning –neener! I know a couple furries actually..


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:19 pm 12

MINDS–yikes. Also, to spare everyone’s brain cells, I am watching Patti Blago on “I’m a Celebrity, Get me Out of Here” and will post nightly recaps on L Figa.


DrBong | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:20 pm 13
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 12

Yer a better man than I

;~P


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:21 pm 14

how cool lisa – and thank you for watching so i don’t have to


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:24 pm 15

Anti-abortionists can’t shut down abortion legally so they do this illegally with winks and nods from ideologes.


Loo Hoo. | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:26 pm 16

Here’s another jerk. I actually taught his daughter (who was very sweet.)


ArchTeryx01 | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:26 pm 17
In response to Eli @ 6

(epu from last thread) Us liberals have to stick together, no matter what our hobbies. Isn’t that what Firedoglake’s all about?

And on-topic, the murder/terrorist attack just emphasizes how important that is these days, doesn’t it? If we don’t hang together, assuredly the damn Christianist fanatics will hang us separately.


Loo Hoo. | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:26 pm 18
In response to DrBong @ 4

Is he your real uncle?


Eli | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:27 pm 19
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 11

It never even occurred to me that you would be able to sit on a story like that one…


ratfood | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:27 pm 20
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 12

If Speidi were the only hosts who would have her on, things aren’t going so well for the Blagos. I’m sure the little group prayer will fix her right up, though.


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:27 pm 21
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 3

I don’t understand that.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:28 pm 22

You now, if there was better access to birth control, along with sex education–there wouldnt be as great a need for abortions. Abstinence doesnt work except as (an unpleasant, unrealistic ) ideal– people will have sex


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:29 pm 23
In response to ArchTeryx01 @ 17

*laughing* they always welcomed me even tho i was a life long republican.

voted as a d for the first time last month.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:29 pm 24
In response to Eli @ 19

I was thinking ahead…


Eli | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:29 pm 25
In response to ArchTeryx01 @ 17

Absolutely. Hey, I didn’t realize you were a regular – cool!


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:30 pm 26
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 22

even if every pregnancy was planned there would still be a need for abortion.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:30 pm 27
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 22

Sure, but the loonies object to sex education and birth control too. You can’t win with these guys.


Eli | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:31 pm 28
In response to Suzanne @ 26

From what I gather, those kinds of abortions were actually Dr. Tiller’s specialties.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:31 pm 29
In response to Suzanne @ 26

That’s true, sometimes there are reasons for non viablity


DrBong | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:31 pm 30
In response to Loo Hoo. @ 18

Yep


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:33 pm 31
In response to Eli @ 28

exactly – not everything goes according to plan


ratfood | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:34 pm 32
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 22

It works for me although there is a remote possibility that being poor, unattractive and somewhat introverted has played a small part…


Eli | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:35 pm 33
In response to Suzanne @ 31

Right. But what makes it so infuriating is the way the anti-abortionists portrayed Tiller and his patients as monsters brutally murdering perfectly healthy, viable fetuses on some kind of casual whim, when that was literally about as far from the truth as it is possible to get.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:35 pm 34

I am really stunned that MSM isnt calling this terrorism…


DrBong | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:35 pm 35
In response to Suzanne @ 31

No!!!

*Smacking forehead*

/s


hillvoter | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:35 pm 36

Don’t forget the terrorist attack in Arkansas. A homegrown Muslim convert assasinated a young soldier. He was influenced by the main stream media


Teddy Partridge | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:37 pm 37

When will our national leaders speak out about this terror network? Only Rachel Maddow is calling it that. These are linked terror cells advocating assassination, bombings, and arson in America against legal facilities and people providing legal services. How can this be allowed to happen?

I am glad Dr Bern of Colorado was on Rachel’s show tonight, telling the truth about what’s happening to him and his fellow practitioners because, despite all the protection he’s getting, he’s pretty clear that he’s next.


EvilDrPuma | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:37 pm 38
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 34

The bits and pieces I’ve seen of cable news coverage have been surprisingly light on this story. Maybe it’s because honest reporting would tread on the privileges of the right wing.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:38 pm 39
In response to hillvoter @ 36

and how is Tiller different-oh wait it was Christian on Christian violence? Or is MSM afraid to use the T word? and why?


hillvoter | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:39 pm 40
In response to DrBong @ 4

The crazy uncle makes a lot of sense.


ratfood | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:39 pm 41
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 29

His critics claim he would perform a late term abortion on practically anybody with the money.

Even if that WERE the case, I have a problem with people who demonstrate their moral superiority by committing murder.


Teddy Partridge | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:39 pm 42
In response to hillvoter @ 36

He trained in Yemen; do they have mainstream media there?


Eli | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:39 pm 43
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 39

Also, I don’t see anyone on the left gloating about how the dead soldier was a bloody murderer who totally had it coming to him.


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:40 pm 44
In response to Suzanne @ 31

Anomalies happen. Who’s in charge of that sh*t?


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:41 pm 45

My mother was a strong advocate of pro-choice….when she was in the navy one of her bunk mates committed suicide because she got pregnant. My mother fought for sex education in the high schools, the John Burchers threatened her life, tried to run her off the road and called and harassed about every 1/2 hour until teenage girls started answering the phone……”murphy mule barn, head mule speaking” that sort of stuff.

A co-worker’s grandmother committed suicide because she just could not deal with another baby…..

and my own experience….. I was a 19 yr old nursing student doing my OB rotation, I was asked to sit with a young girl who did a coat hanger job… she was 14, blond and was bleeding with infection…. it was 1970…… she kept staying over and over again “I’ll never do it again” unsure what it was… drugs and antibiotics did not work and as I watched her fade away…… holder her hand …. she died saying….”I”ll never do it again”

I remembered this event 48 years later….. profound and heart wrenching….


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:43 pm 46
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 37

A private practice ob-gyn who was my girlie dr told me she did abortions but would only take cash or money orders for them because she didnt want any credit card trails, that she had to be very careful, and that’s in Los Angeles!


Eli | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:44 pm 47
In response to katymine @ 45

Horrible. Today’s NYT Science Times has a story on botched amateur abortions in Tanzania. Seemed rather timely…


DrBong | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:44 pm 48
In response to hillvoter @ 40

gender?


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:46 pm 49

No wire coat hangers. She was right, as it turns out.


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:47 pm 50
In response to katymine @ 45

(((katymine)))


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:49 pm 51

And hwile we’re on the subject of sex education, Gardasil, the HPV vaccine is perfectly safe for boys–yet it is only being marketed to young women.


AZ Matt | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:50 pm 52
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 51

Makes the girls responsible doesn’t it.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:52 pm 53

yet HPV is a leading cause of penile cancers (sorry dudes). Also, gardasil vaccines are being tied to immigration/green cards for young women. They are costly–and while they may have long term benefits, they should nt be gender specific, IMO.

On another note, I am sort of afraid of a theocracy…


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:52 pm 54
In response to katymine @ 45

Your story breaks my heart.


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:53 pm 55

I bet Margaret Cho would have laughed.


Teddy Partridge | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:53 pm 56

Speidi just left Costa Rica for the — I think — fourth time. But I think they may actually be gone, since Janice Dickinson finally trashed them. And Janice knows how to play the reality-show game: you never dis an opponent who might come back to get you.

I am growing to like the former First Lady of Illinois, though.


cheryllessin | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:54 pm 57

In light of the murder of Dr. Tiller, a brave abortion provider who always wore a button saying “Trust Women”, the article “The Deadly Illusion of ‘Common Ground’ on abortion-Response to Obama’s speech at Notre Dame on common ground and abortion by Sunsara Taylor is a must read.

“…The simple fact is that a fetus is not a baby, it is a subordinate part of a woman’s body. A woman has no moral obligation to carry a fetus to term simply because she gets pregnant. And a woman who chooses at whatever point and for whatever reason to terminate a pregnancy, should feel fine about doing so and should be able to.

“When it comes to abortion, there really is only one moral question: Will women be free to determine their own lives, including whether and when they will bear children, or will women be subjugated to patriarchal male authority and forced to breed against their will?

“…To talk today of reducing the number of abortions is to talk about strengthening the chains on women. The goal should NOT be to reduce the number of abortions. The goal should be to break down the barriers that still exist in every sphere of society to women’s full and equal participation as emancipated human beings. In this society, right now, that means there will be—and therefore should be—more abortions.

“This is because there are many, many women who want abortions who are unable to get them due to the tremendous legal, social and economic obstacles that have been put in their way. These obstacles include parental notification laws, mandatory waiting periods, anti-abortion fake clinics that disorient and delay women, the fact that 84% of counties have no abortion providers at all, and countless other cruel and humiliating restrictions.

Right now, as you read, real women’s lives are being foreclosed and degraded due to lack of accessible abortion services.”

“…


DrBong | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:55 pm 58
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 56

Condolences

…and nighters


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:56 pm 59

ike what if the fundies coe into mor epower and women are forced to wear panty hose (half joking, but you see where I’m going). there are fundies who believe that having STATUES of frogs and owls invite demons into you house, and they are ust a couple steps away fromt he folks who want books banned. YET there’sa Venn diagram/crossover with these types inot the groups who want the govt to stay out of our lives..it’s a weird disconnect…


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:59 pm 60
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 56

I have it tivoed a few mins behind to I can fast foward thru commercials. I rather like Patti, she;s a good sport though she did utter some really naive rhetoric about her husband last night

ANd yeah, there’s waterboarding tonight. The Christian stuff on the show is really over the top


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 08:59 pm 61

Why do European countries have low teen pregnancy rates…. birth control

Why do European countries have lower std & hiv rates? …. condoms and birth control

I really don’t get this idea that birth control is a form of abortion…. there is NO fetus but ya got to prevent choice


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:02 pm 62

It’s been a rough time. If you can’t laugh at Late Night, when can you?
I understand how serious the whole abortion debate is. I do. Been there, done that. I’m not stupid.


Teddy Partridge | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:02 pm 63

Thank Rachel Maddow for calling this domestic terrorism:
rachel@msnbc.com,


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:03 pm 64
In response to katymine @ 61

You are correct
Your are correct
Only in America is birth control a form of abortion (sick & wrong)


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:05 pm 65
In response to ChristineEdmonson @ 64

Hey Katymine,
Another plug:

http://www.case.edu/artsci/dit…..contra.htm


Loo Hoo. | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:06 pm 66
In response to katymine @ 45

OMG, katymine. What a horrible tragedy.


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:06 pm 67

Here in AZ, at least once a year a fundie woman will drive in the HOV lane, gets a ticket and challanges the law that her fetus is a human being……

the problem is that AZ HOV law is very clear…..the purpose of the HOV lane is to take drivers off the road….. it must be a licensed driver who are the passengers…… makes me laugh at their stupidity


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:08 pm 68
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 63

I’m glad Rachel did -I used the word in my headline Sunday morning, thogh admittedly wiht a question mark


Funnydiva2002 | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:12 pm 69
In response to katymine @ 67

Ouch, so the soccer-momz are SOL, too?
What if I was driving my grandma around? She never learned to drive…
But, yeah, just because you’re preggers, that’s pushng it.

Funny Wheelie Diva

Thanks for this, Lisa. And everyone for sharing their experiences.


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:13 pm 70

Of course it’s terrorism.
How many people here have been to a pro-choice rally? And, I think this is a women’s rights issue, so, guys…..I don’t even want to hear it.
Stay serious.


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:14 pm 71

The sad part of being a sensitive person, you tend to remember these events….. Partly because my own mother fought so hard to just get education in the HS….

Another part of this is the wealthy women would get an abortion in Missouri before Roe v Wade….. They would go for a “missed miscarriage” which mean that the woman was naturally aborting and needed the final contents to be removed….. The problem is that she wasn’t …… but she received the procedure, the insurance paid for it and all was happy until someone started investigating that the fetal contents were intact…..


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:15 pm 72
In response to demi @ 70

we need to have males involved in these conversations demi.


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:17 pm 73
In response to katymine @ 71

Is this like the film, “Vera Drake” where in England, the rich could claim mental injury in order to receive an abortion? Where the poor could have nothing.


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:17 pm 74

In response to Funnydiva2002@ 67

First they count adult heads in the car….. the only reason they would stop her is because there was only one person in the car….. They added that licensed driver clause because they were so tired of going through that again and again…


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:18 pm 75

You’re welcome and I appreciate everyone’s passion on this issue. Please watch the first video–it is horrifying to see the rally and listen to the homo-hating rhetoric and calls for martyrdom. These people are dangerous. And give Christians a BAD name. Folks like Bishop Sponge–he’s a good guy and worth reading, but these fundie freaks are scary–and not what Jesus had in mind (if I can be so bold as to guess)


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:20 pm 76
In response to Suzanne @ 72

You’re more than welcome to have your point of view, Suzanne, of course.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:22 pm 77
In response to demi @ 70

I did clinic defense, and the anti-choice people were NASTY, they stepped on our feet and would elbow us and kick us in the shins, they put one guy in a throat lock–bad idea, he was with the ACLU. And they squirted mustard and ketchup on our signs.


Jett | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:23 pm 78

When are we going to start calling them “Christian Terrorists”?

If an individual terrorizes clinics and health care providers in an attempt to stop them from carrying out their LEGAL work, and the violence is carried out in the name of Christ, then I think it’s about time for us to begin calling a spade a spade.


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:24 pm 79
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 77

No doubt. There’s all different kinds of nasty.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:25 pm 80
In response to demi @ 76

firedoglake does not exclude males from discussions on womens issues nor women from male issues nor does it exclude the straight from gay issues, etc.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:27 pm 81
In response to Jett @ 78

In the same way not all Muslims are terrorists…you have a VERY good point, and I think do think it’s time to use that defining word, as much as it would piss off the Christian non-terrorists. But then agan I’m sure many may Muslms dont like getting tarred wiht the brush of their radically violent co-faithers.


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:28 pm 82
In response to Suzanne @ 80

Of course not. I was sharing a personal opinion. Not speaking to this site’s open mindedness.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:28 pm 83
In response to Suzanne @ 80

Amen!


Teddy Partridge | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:28 pm 84

Is anybody else watching this piece of crap on NBC? “The Presidency, starring Brian Williams, with cameo appearance by Rush Limbaugh!”


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:29 pm 85
In response to demi @ 76

I do agree with you…. another incident (got a million of them) where a woman received a legal abortion, the father somehow found out where she was and showed up….. what a mess….. it was why didn’t you tell me, and why didn’t you help you share the burden of the surgery.

Of course it all depends on the scenario and what is going on…. if the mother is in an abusive situation then yes, it is her decision to make…..


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:29 pm 86
In response to Suzanne @ 80

My word, little did I ever think that contraception would be an issue in American life in the 21st. century.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:30 pm 87

BTW, for those of you in California, the gov is looking at cutting HIV/AIDS funding as a way to save $. Los Angeles is holding a rally Friday at Hollywood Forever Cemetery


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:31 pm 88
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 84

not here. pbs moody blues at royal albert hall


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:32 pm 89
In response to katymine @ 85

Thanks for sharing that you understood what I meant.


Jett | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:34 pm 90
In response to demi @ 70

Sorry, I disagree that this is a women’s issue and we men should just butt out.

When the reason for women’s oppression is patriarchal, then of course men must be part of the solution. More of us men need to stand up in support of our mothers, sisters, aunts, wives, daughters and friends against a patriarchal system which continues to oppress women in our name.

Dr. Tiller saw himself as a “woman educated” physician and lived and died because he lived his feminist beliefs.

In 1991, during the Summer of Mercy, a new Declaration of Reproductive Independence was written, which says,”For every woman, each pregnancy is an invited guest into her body and a welcome addition to her family.”

Dr. Tiller, was quoted as saying, “Women are spiritually, morally and intellectually capable of struggling with complex, ethical decisions and arriving at the correct decision for themselves and their family.”.

Many of these angry, scared and now violent men will not take women seriously. In fact their religion forbids it. Unfortunately, it may be that the only voices they will take seriously may be those of other men.


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:34 pm 91
In response to Suzanne @ 88

Smart woman, Suz. Monday, afternoon…


Teddy Partridge | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:34 pm 92

Exciting news from New Hampshire: A Lebanon firefighter, a marriage equality supporter, just won a special election to the state House. The marriage vote lost by one vote last week. So New Hampshire may have marriage equality next week after all!


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:36 pm 93
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 84

haven’t watched Brian Williams since Elmore described the hissy fit he had at a checkpoint security at the 2000 Sidney Olympics….it was “do you know who I am” on and on…. Security nearly hauled him away……

That man’s ego is larger than him….


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:37 pm 94
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 92

woohoo!


demi | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:38 pm 95
In response to Jett @ 90

Go for it. I’m not holding my breath.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:39 pm 96
In response to Teddy Partridge @ 84

I’m TiVoing it.

I remember an episode of Mod Squad the 1969 season, Girl in Chair # 9
“A mother receives a note that her daughter has been kidnapped, but the Squad soon discovers the girl was trying to cover up an illegal abortion.”

Also, in the 1965 Bette Davis movie The Nanny (spoiler alert) an illegal abortion is at cause for her dementia.

Play iT as It Lays (Joan Didion’s book, Tuesday Weld in the movie) shows the dside effects of an illegal abortion.

The emotional toll of an abortion, legal or not is a personal matter; however women have the right to not die from a medical procedure should they make the decision. But I do think compassionate counselling AFTER should be offered


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:47 pm 97
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 96

i think part of the problem is there is a large segment of our population who do not have the memories of life pre-roe.


Margot | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:52 pm 98
In response to katymine @ 45

What a tragedy.
I remember pre-Roe all too well.


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:53 pm 99

Suzanne it is called generational amnesia….. at least 2 to 3 generations do not remember life before Roe v Wade…… for me it was interesting starting nursing before the decision and the case was a Missouri case……

Just like the actual events that caused a late term abortion….

Conservatives have a fixed world view…. made of concrete…. and they fix the facts to justify their world view…..d


ChristineEdmonson | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:54 pm 100
In response to Margot @ 98

So do I.


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:56 pm 101
In response to Suzanne @ 97

and who think “it’ll never happen to me…” But health care providers like Planned Parenthood do more that just provide abortions. They treat all sorts of womens health care issues. And thank gods for them:the caught a dear friends cervical cancer in time for her to get treated. Granted, there are women’s clinics which do wel women exams without contraception/abortions, but if the wingnuts had thier way, birthcontrol and abortion would not be an option. The founder of Curves opned a womens health clinic in a small Texas town in order to keep Planned Parenthood out. Yeah, they offer mammograms,whihc was a boon, but no birth control or abortions.


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 09:57 pm 102
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 96

yanno, since hollywood seems to be making a lotta remakes of previous films…


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 10:00 pm 103
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 101

Curves is owned by a radical repugs and uses their proceeds from the exercise franchises to fund their issues…..


katymine | Tuesday June 2, 2009 10:01 pm 104

I’m heading off to bed….. I’m in hibernation stage where I sleep all night and 1/2 the day to make up for all the sleep I didnt get…


Lisa Derrick | Tuesday June 2, 2009 10:02 pm 105

sadly, yes. Time to go watch the pres on tivo. Night all. Dont let the terrorists win!!!


Suzanne | Tuesday June 2, 2009 10:02 pm 106

late late nite is up. lisa, thanks for another great tuesday.


Funnydiva2002 | Tuesday June 2, 2009 10:03 pm 107
In response to katymine @ 104

Goodnight, katymine! Best of rest to you!
Funny Wheelie Diva


oldtree | Tuesday June 2, 2009 10:31 pm 108

It is a cause to indict for first degree, premeditated murder. If we need to add another label to it we can. There are various crimes that make murder more heinous. But it is not something else. It is murder. We, the people, can not allow the empty suits and their co conspirators to re brand it.


Loo Hoo. | Wednesday June 3, 2009 12:29 am 109
In response to katymine @ 71

Interesting…

I remember the first time I learned about abortion I was a junior in HS. One of my friends had gone to Tijuana for the procedure.

Blew my mind.


Loo Hoo. | Wednesday June 3, 2009 12:46 am 110
In response to Jett @ 90

Thank you.


truestarr | Wednesday June 3, 2009 02:53 am 111

If conservative wing believe in God so profoundly, why is it that when lunatics begin to ratchet up the ‘crazy talk’ SOME good Christian doesn’t try and pray with them and ‘talk them down’ off the old terrorism ledge?

You’d think that with that much “faith” in their God, they’d leave those big life and death decisions to Him!


Smgumby | Thursday June 4, 2009 09:10 am 112

Hmmm…

Religious fundamentalists, after failing to codify their particular beliefs into law, resort to violence and murder against those who do not share those particular religious beliefs.

Who knew Al Queida had a Christian branch?


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