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	<title>Comments on: Apparently Gay Students&#8217; Expulsion Okayed By Courts</title>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2009/01/28/lesbian-students-expulsion-okayed-by-courts/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks. You post reminds of when I used to do the same. I spent a year and change living on a farm and for months could barely comprehend the difference in the taste of the food or the degree to which people avoided sticking there noses in your business. maybe that’s way I’m so reticent to believe that there aren’t abortions available. It used to be that, without clinics, there were always doctors willing and rural hospitals that had a rather large number of patients who suffered miscarriages.&lt;br /&gt;
Again, thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. You post reminds of when I used to do the same. I spent a year and change living on a farm and for months could barely comprehend the difference in the taste of the food or the degree to which people avoided sticking there noses in your business. maybe that’s way I’m so reticent to believe that there aren’t abortions available. It used to be that, without clinics, there were always doctors willing and rural hospitals that had a rather large number of patients who suffered miscarriages.<br />
Again, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2009/01/28/lesbian-students-expulsion-okayed-by-courts/#comment-1340</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;what dakiine said–and i’ll add that i think it is south dakota that has only one clinic left and that was being legislated out of existence las5t year. and it was in a major city.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——and to your 67—&lt;br /&gt;
non-existent, getting there and back is a problem. let alone the money, having a car, and the hours it takes to get there and back and  ‘cover’ it. and that means you’re taking off work, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you said you haven’t seen rural areas much–do what my sister and i used to do–we call it ‘blow the stink off’…..hop in a car and drive, just head somewhere and see what you can see. or take a train, or a bus is even better. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or use google map’s video to take a look. problem is, what i have found is that a lot of the rural stuff isn’t in the system yet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i live in a rural area now, have for 10 years, it is a different land. and whatever area of the country you go to that6 is rural, eac h has its own flavor…yet they all have things in common…picture not having things that involve infrastructure, tax base to fund, ‘charity’ funded things like symphony and cultural things, things available that need a large populace to support, options available to those with disposable incomes-including everything from personal care to upper end clothing and electronics….the internet is the only way to purchase some things without driving an hour for a best buy or two hours to go to a major city for a real italian restaurant. no manufacturing jobs, just construction and service or small business or university jobs. a few city and county jobs, but not that many.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yet we have our own things that make this a desirable place to be. fresh meats and dairy and vegetables and anything homemade you can think of. beautiful scenery just driving to the grocery store. small diverse community. no rush hour traffic, except the day the students come back. you can wear whatever you want when you go out, who knows what you have just been doing before you left the house, and are not judged by it. there are some who are worried about appearances here but i’ve noticed they aren’t the ones really running things around here.you never know who is who here and you sure won’t be able to tell from what they are wearing or what they are driving. big environmentalist area and self-sufficient locals, neither of which would be caught dead wearing clothes with a ‘label’. except maybe birkenstocks. ha.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so get out there and explore some farmer’s markets or something this summer, or find a mom and pop restaurant in a small town and hang out for a while. never a waste of time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—–general comment—&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and as to the ‘choice’ to go to a school, my sister was forced to go to a catholic high school. not a choice. we were methodist. a friend of mine teaches there now..a few years ago a few jocks spread pig poop all over and trashed the school, no punishment. end of the football season. that’s values for ya.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what dakiine said–and i’ll add that i think it is south dakota that has only one clinic left and that was being legislated out of existence las5t year. and it was in a major city.</p>
<p>——and to your 67—<br />
non-existent, getting there and back is a problem. let alone the money, having a car, and the hours it takes to get there and back and  ‘cover’ it. and that means you’re taking off work, too.</p>
<p>you said you haven’t seen rural areas much–do what my sister and i used to do–we call it ‘blow the stink off’…..hop in a car and drive, just head somewhere and see what you can see. or take a train, or a bus is even better. </p>
<p>or use google map’s video to take a look. problem is, what i have found is that a lot of the rural stuff isn’t in the system yet.</p>
<p>i live in a rural area now, have for 10 years, it is a different land. and whatever area of the country you go to that6 is rural, eac h has its own flavor…yet they all have things in common…picture not having things that involve infrastructure, tax base to fund, ‘charity’ funded things like symphony and cultural things, things available that need a large populace to support, options available to those with disposable incomes-including everything from personal care to upper end clothing and electronics….the internet is the only way to purchase some things without driving an hour for a best buy or two hours to go to a major city for a real italian restaurant. no manufacturing jobs, just construction and service or small business or university jobs. a few city and county jobs, but not that many.</p>
<p>yet we have our own things that make this a desirable place to be. fresh meats and dairy and vegetables and anything homemade you can think of. beautiful scenery just driving to the grocery store. small diverse community. no rush hour traffic, except the day the students come back. you can wear whatever you want when you go out, who knows what you have just been doing before you left the house, and are not judged by it. there are some who are worried about appearances here but i’ve noticed they aren’t the ones really running things around here.you never know who is who here and you sure won’t be able to tell from what they are wearing or what they are driving. big environmentalist area and self-sufficient locals, neither of which would be caught dead wearing clothes with a ‘label’. except maybe birkenstocks. ha.</p>
<p>so get out there and explore some farmer’s markets or something this summer, or find a mom and pop restaurant in a small town and hang out for a while. never a waste of time.</p>
<p>—–general comment—</p>
<p>and as to the ‘choice’ to go to a school, my sister was forced to go to a catholic high school. not a choice. we were methodist. a friend of mine teaches there now..a few years ago a few jocks spread pig poop all over and trashed the school, no punishment. end of the football season. that’s values for ya.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2009/01/28/lesbian-students-expulsion-okayed-by-courts/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The US mail delivers prescription drugs (and obviously non-prescription) ordered via internet.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t know about the availibility of abortions in rural areas.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US mail delivers prescription drugs (and obviously non-prescription) ordered via internet.<br />
I don’t know about the availibility of abortions in rural areas.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know of any specific examples but I do know they pretty much have to exist.  First think of all the states that have made abortions almost impossible to get by hounding the doctors or facilities where they might be performed (Kansas and South Dakota being good examples of this).  Then take a town in some of the states such as Kansas or the Dakotas or just about anywhere with mostly small towns and no cities near by; areas where the Interstate might have a sign “Check your gas gauge, no exits for 120 miles”.  Areas where the town might be 5k in population, supporting two or three pharmacies and the next nearest town of any size is over a hundred miles and it may only be 20k.  If the pharmacy owners are fundies or against birth control, you have the situation laid out right there.  And I suspect that’s not an uncommon situation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know of any specific examples but I do know they pretty much have to exist.  First think of all the states that have made abortions almost impossible to get by hounding the doctors or facilities where they might be performed (Kansas and South Dakota being good examples of this).  Then take a town in some of the states such as Kansas or the Dakotas or just about anywhere with mostly small towns and no cities near by; areas where the Interstate might have a sign “Check your gas gauge, no exits for 120 miles”.  Areas where the town might be 5k in population, supporting two or three pharmacies and the next nearest town of any size is over a hundred miles and it may only be 20k.  If the pharmacy owners are fundies or against birth control, you have the situation laid out right there.  And I suspect that’s not an uncommon situation.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m a city slicker and unfamiliar with almost any service being more than an hour’s ride away.&lt;br /&gt;
Do you know of any area where denial of service is total? If so, please tell, so I can adjust my thinking.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a city slicker and unfamiliar with almost any service being more than an hour’s ride away.<br />
Do you know of any area where denial of service is total? If so, please tell, so I can adjust my thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m just a bit more skeptical about it than you are I guess.  After watching Short Ride supporting the Catholic Church supported hospitals in CT in their refusal to offer the morning after pill and knowing how many small towns there are in the South and Mid-west where ALL the pharmacists are willing to avoid issuing the pill, I’m quite willing to believe this will happen sooner rather than later.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m just a bit more skeptical about it than you are I guess.  After watching Short Ride supporting the Catholic Church supported hospitals in CT in their refusal to offer the morning after pill and knowing how many small towns there are in the South and Mid-west where ALL the pharmacists are willing to avoid issuing the pill, I’m quite willing to believe this will happen sooner rather than later.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point. But i’m guessing that there’s so much money to be made in running a pharmacy that someone else would cover it, and probably drive the other guy out of business. In a pinch where no other local pharmacy is available, the prescribing physician would likely have an on-premises hospital pharmacy dispense the meds.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. But i’m guessing that there’s so much money to be made in running a pharmacy that someone else would cover it, and probably drive the other guy out of business. In a pinch where no other local pharmacy is available, the prescribing physician would likely have an on-premises hospital pharmacy dispense the meds.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;True but all it takes is one or two who decide they want to be a &lt;i&gt;Cause Celebre&lt;/i&gt;.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And there are plenty of folks, who have not refused to sell condoms and standard birth control before now but now have cover to do so.  It’s not just the so-called “morning after” pills now that a pharmacist can refuse to dispense but any birth control.  Even if it was prescribed for reasons other than birth control.  Which means the pharmacist is substituting his/her judgment for the Doctor and the patient.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True but all it takes is one or two who decide they want to be a <i>Cause Celebre</i>.  </p>
<p>And there are plenty of folks, who have not refused to sell condoms and standard birth control before now but now have cover to do so.  It’s not just the so-called “morning after” pills now that a pharmacist can refuse to dispense but any birth control.  Even if it was prescribed for reasons other than birth control.  Which means the pharmacist is substituting his/her judgment for the Doctor and the patient.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2009/01/28/lesbian-students-expulsion-okayed-by-courts/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My experience with health care professionals is that the overwhelming majority are people who are motivated by a desire to help others. The things that they see and are called upon to do only deepen their compassion.&lt;br /&gt;
The rest like the money and aren’t gonna do anything to shorten their pile.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The health care pros who don’t want to do some things are already not doing them. The rule hasn’t changed anythng to date and won’t.&lt;br /&gt;
It’s not a danger.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience with health care professionals is that the overwhelming majority are people who are motivated by a desire to help others. The things that they see and are called upon to do only deepen their compassion.<br />
The rest like the money and aren’t gonna do anything to shorten their pile.</p>
<p>The health care pros who don’t want to do some things are already not doing them. The rule hasn’t changed anythng to date and won’t.<br />
It’s not a danger.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course, though, the Rule change implemented by BushCo includes allowing folks to deny dispensing birth control, condoms and just about any family planning preventative if it is “against their moral beliefs”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which leads to the question can they then deny someone treatment for STDs since someone having an STD did something that the person treating the disease disapproves of?  That is the interpretation being placed on the rule.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, though, the Rule change implemented by BushCo includes allowing folks to deny dispensing birth control, condoms and just about any family planning preventative if it is “against their moral beliefs”</p>
<p>Which leads to the question can they then deny someone treatment for STDs since someone having an STD did something that the person treating the disease disapproves of?  That is the interpretation being placed on the rule.</p>
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