Obama, This is UNACCEPTABLE: Rick Warren Invokes Hitler Youth

I know I have been on and on about Rick Warren and his loathing of homosexuals, his utter conviction that man and dinosaurs once frolicked together, that he doesnt think abused spouses should divorce because it’s not in the Bible, and his support of crazed African pastors.

Oh and he lies, prevaricates and removes things from his website that might be embarrassing (like the dinosaurs and forbidding active homosexuals from joining Saddleback Church–something he yanked after he met with Melissa Etheridge, because like she has a wife and so probably has sex, and it’s like better to have Teh Celebrity Gay than to tell the truth, Rick?)

But WTF?!! This is so beyond reasonable, acceptable, inclusionary, kumbaya or whatever the reason Obama said, "Hey Pastor Rick, come on down and give the invocation."

In Bruce Wilson‘s video, on April 17, 2005 Rick Warren tells 30,000 of his followers at a rally in Angel Stadium, right next to  Disneyland,  that he had been given a vision, a three point plan for the next 25 years:

It is the global expansion of the Kingdom of God.

It is the total mobilzation of this church.

And the third part of this dream is a radical devotion of every believer.

Warren goes on to deliver this horrifying homily:

In April 1939, In a stadium much like this, in Munich Germany, they packed it out with young men and women in brown shirts for a fanatical man standing behind a podium named Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil. And in that stadium those with the brown shirts formed a sign that said in in the whole stadium "Hitler we are yours." And they nearly took the world…

Warren then decribes the dedication of Lenin and Mao’s followers and then in a jaw dropping moment says:

When I hear those kinds of stories, I think, what would happen if American Christians, if world Christians, if just the Christians in this stadium said, "Jesus, we are yours"? What kind of spiritual awakening would be have?  

Warren then exhorts the crowd to hold up the sign by their seats that say "Whatever it takes" and concludes his speech with:

Whatever it takes


70 Responses to "Obama, This is UNACCEPTABLE: Rick Warren Invokes Hitler Youth"
egregious | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:37 pm 1

Truly astonishing.


dakine01 | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:37 pm 2

Warren sounds like he wants to rule the world.


Blue Texan | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:40 pm 3

What’s the big deal?

Everyone knows Hitler did some good things at the beginning, he just went to far.

[/Marge Schott]


nahant | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:41 pm 4

Sounds very much Jim Jones to me! I wonder when Pastor Ricks’ flock is going to follow him to heaven all at once. Kool aid anyone?


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:43 pm 5

“When I hear those kinds of stories, I think, what would happen if American Christians, if world Christians, if just the Christians in this stadium said, “Jesus, we are yours”? What kind of spiritual awakening would be have?”

Ummmm…Warren…what would happen already happened…millions and millions of people have been killed in the world for not being of the same religion as another. You are a religious fanatic. The worst kind.


Lisa Derrick | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:43 pm 6

Yup, he is the very thing his Bible preaches against. And there’s part of me that wonders–did Obama want Warren neutralized, and couldn’t really do it himself, so he brought Pastor Rick out into Interwebs Coliseum, let the bloggers play virtual gladiator using the truth to cut Warren off at the knees…


Synoia | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:43 pm 7

“Whatever it takes” (sotto voce: ‘With Me As The Leader’)


Elliott | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:46 pm 8
In response to Synoia @ 7

Chilling


macaquerman | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:48 pm 9

Lisa, get it over with.
Go with the story about Warren and Palin in the redneck love motel: filthy, naked, blood-smeared and chewing the still-warm hearts of farm animals.


TobyWollin | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:49 pm 10

Anyone else read this and get the creeps? Not only is this guy offensive, he’s a megalomaniac.


Fern | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:54 pm 11

And he is supposed to the the “good” right-wing preacher? The one that the Hagee’s of the world are saying is not conservative enough? The one that is causing a split in the rightosphere?

This is seriously creepy.


KayInMaine | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:57 pm 12

I love the subliminal part where Warren is calling his worshipers….Brownshirts…because the audience is hanging on Warren’s ever word as he talks to them just as he described.


demi | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:57 pm 13
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 6

Ewwwww.
Warren is a religious fanatic?
Egregious…Heavy? Wow. Epiphany.
Lisa, wake me when someone tells me something I don’t already know.
Even though you never respond to my comments, I’m still drawn to your blogs.
It’s cool.
Still, when someone has something new to add, wake me up from my nap.


siri | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:58 pm 14

i love coming to this website. it’s so beautiful and exotic looking, and the content is excellent, always!

Warren says he “had a vision…”???????

omg

i totally got the creeps reading this. i knew he was a nutcase and likely was brain washing his thousands of followers, and he’s category three offensive and a backward, backwater hypocritically babbling homophobe, but this chit is just downright scary. UNBELIEVABLE that Obama included him in the inaugural events. That’s a whole other level of weird and frightening!


SouthernDragon | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:59 pm 15
In response to Blue Texan @ 3

Geez, I’d forgotten about her. She was definitely in love with her Nazis.


NorskeFlamethrower | Thursday January 15, 2009 03:59 pm 16

AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Lisa Derrick and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

I been sayin this since the day Obama announced that this batshit crazy meglomaniac was gunna give the invocation but I’ll say it again: This guy is quite capable of blowin’ up and goin out in the ether with Jimmi Hendrixx if he thinks that he has been coopted or that he and his followers are bein’ triangulated out of the “conservative Christian movement”. I mean that he is capable of goin screamin’ nuts on national television and destroyin’ the inauguration and Obama’s presidency on the day it begins.

Keep diggin’ and exposin’ this guy’s real character…this one is jest as dangerous as Jim Jones, maybe more so!

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, RELIGION LIKE WAR MUST BE DONE AWAY WITH!!!


eCAHNomics | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:00 pm 17

I don’t suppose he saw the irony of comparing himself to Hitler, Lenin & Mao.


Kassandra | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:01 pm 18

Would OMG! be appropriate?

But isn’t this what they’ve been working toward? 30,000 Koolaid drinkers sure of their superiority. Onward Christain soldiers, indeed.

Now, kids, let’s go out and beat up some godless gays. What a scary man.


Frank33 | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:02 pm 19

Sieg Heil for Jesus, you’all.


siri | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:03 pm 20

this guy’s dangerous.


darkblack | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:06 pm 21

‘Ein Volk, ein Evangelische Kirche, ein Prediger’

;>)


Elliott | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:06 pm 22
In response to eCAHNomics @ 17

goes right over his head, their head — the Republicans have modeled themselves on the Communists; and as we can see, the Nazis


eCAHNomics | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:08 pm 23
In response to Elliott @ 22

Let’s not get bogged down by whether the wingnuts model themselves on communists or Nazis. They’re totalitarian. The specifics of the ways in which they are totalitarian are second order conditions.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:09 pm 24

Warren, Jesus was not a Christian.


Jett | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:14 pm 25

Was just reading this treatise on Hamas and Iran over at Sic Semper Tyrannis

http://turcopolier.typepad.com…..-iran.html

“…the duty of true Muslims is to defend the world-wide community of believers (Muslims) against the attacks of outsiders. Islam aspires to an end of days scenario in which all people will be Muslims. Many of the Islamic consensus groups that I have mentioned above have believed that it is their particular destiny as true Muslims to be the rulers of this community of believers. The community is called the ‘Umma in Arabic. Such ambition has usually been wildly fantasist in the clear inability of the groups to achieve a consensus of Muslims regarding leadership, but the groups aspire to this leadership nonetheless. This aspiration on the part of the takfiri jihadis networked together into what is “shorthanded” as al-Qa’ida enabled the egregious neocon propaganda concerning the imminent and threatening rise of a new Islamic state called “The Caliphate.” The pseudo threat posed by “The Caliphate” was claimed to be as great as that posed by the Soviet Union in the Cold War or Nazi Germany…”


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:16 pm 26

Rick Warren believes he’s “special”.


Jett | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:16 pm 27
In response to Jett @ 25

My point is that these guys hate each other to death and yet the rhetoric and desires are just the same – world domination by religious decree.


eCAHNomics | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:17 pm 28
In response to Jett @ 25

So many existential threats to the U.S.; so little military to combat it. /s


eCAHNomics | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:19 pm 29

Oh, BTW Jett, I have been known to say often that religion has killed more people than it has saved. It’s a dangerous thing.


wickedpissah | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:19 pm 30

Ah, yes, the Christian Caliphate. Stormtroopers for Jesus.

Jesus would have cuffed these fools upside the head.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:22 pm 31
In response to Jett @ 27

The question is why do certain people believe that they have “divine” knowledge that is so important that it needs to be spread enmasse to the entire world…especially preying on young minds to get their “mission” accomplished, because they realize they can mold them more readily to consider and follow their beliefs. There must be a diagnosis for this type of personality…f’ing lunatics. The fact that people like Warren are given a bullhorn in huge political events is the most troubling. It is a type of mind control or a method of control of people by using their “superior, divine knowledge and ‘always’ good intention” in order to manipulate the masses. Mao was right…Religion is the opiate of the people.


eCAHNomics | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:25 pm 32
In response to LS @ 31

One day, though not in my lifetime, brain studies will show that it is a mental disease.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:27 pm 33

People like Warren believe that “other” less valuable human beings were not protected by Jesus, because somehow Jesus thought they needed to suffer…i.e., the Holocaust, victims of 9/11, victims of Katrina…just for starters. This is sick thinking. They believe that Jesus can save them everyday from anything and that if you are not saved from something, you somehow deserved it…like Jesus has the power to stop calamity, but chooses who is good and who is bad…

They’ve confused Jesus with Santa Claus.


Millineryman | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:27 pm 34
In response to Lisa Derrick @ 6

Once I got passed the point of being disgusted, the same thought occurred to me.

There will three religious figures involved in the Inaugural, a wacked out wingnut, an openly gay bishop and an civil rights leader who believes in true equality. While I don’t approve of Warren and I am angry at his participation, I have to look at how he compares with his peers in the ceremony and think that Obama is presenting these folks as a compare and contrast study.

When history is written, Warrens’ name will appear by a gay bishop and true leader of what religion is about. I think Warren will look small by comparison.


JohnDee | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:28 pm 35

At this point, I’m almost hoping Warren will say something to cause Obama severe embarrassment at the Inaugural. “Now, Hitler was a very misunderstood indiviual…”

It would serve President Hopey Bipartisanship’s slick, triangulating ass bloody well right.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:30 pm 36

Obama is now being managed by “Them”…booga, booga.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:31 pm 37
In response to eCAHNomics @ 32

Most definitely.


eCAHNomics | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:33 pm 38

OT
USAir pilot as first Obama Medal of Freedom recipient?


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:34 pm 39
In response to eCAHNomics @ 38

He should be. Wow.


eCAHNomics | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:34 pm 40
In response to eCAHNomics @ 38

Oh, and here’s the link for MOF.


KayInMaine | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:35 pm 41
In response to JohnDee @ 35

Do you remember when George Bush embarrassed our nation for 8 years and then said, “God told me to attack Iraq!”? We’re still not over it. The Bush Messiah is going soon though! We can’t wait!


Knut | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:35 pm 42

Warren is a slick customer, but he’s not well-educated. Obama gave him a poisoned chalice. He thinks he is actually important in the greater scheme of American things, when it fact he is simply being used. It’s obvious to me (at least) that Obama saw through him at the ‘debate’ with McCain. Let’s not forget. Obama came up as an organizer — he had to deal with all sorts of people all the time, unlike our mainstream politicians, who mainly deal with people like themselves. He saw Warren’s ambition, and he’s exploiting it.

Seems a little over the top to me to be citing Lenin and Hitler. Wasn’t Jeebus good enough for him?


eCAHNomics | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:35 pm 43
In response to eCAHNomics @ 40

Oops. Link didn’t work. Here’s the unfancy form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..of_Freedom


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:38 pm 44
In response to KayInMaine @ 41

Another sufferer of the “affliction” of holier than thou. Good thing only some people drank the Koolaid. His was even more evil, because he just used it to purely manipulate the public to go along with his policies. I think Warren really believes that he is God’s latest messenger. Oy vey.


Knut | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:38 pm 45
In response to LS @ 5

Actually Warren has a point. I remember back in 1960, when I was a very young-un working as a clerk-typist at the NLRB in Washington, when my friends and I out of curiosity went to the baseball stadium to see and hear Bilie Graham. Like all college kids, we had stayed up various nights debating (well, we thought we were) Hitler and the exterminations, and could they have been stopped and all that sort of stuff. So much to my surprise, when we were at the stadium, I realized were getting the repeat performance of the Nuremberg rallies. It was incredibly exploitative. So Warren’s not off the mark. What he does for a living is how Hitler made his career. Of course, as we know, it all turned out rather raunchy in the end. But apparently god knows better.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:42 pm 46

Seems to me that people like Warren start to really believe the voices in their heads when they start bringing in money…then they (their ego…their Warrenness) starts to convince them that they are indeed annointed somehow to lead the human race…it’s all fine as long as they make money, which they rationalize, build fancy houses, which they rationalize (stuff like, Jesus was a carpenter and he must want me to have an expensive house)…etc., etc…it (his egoic mind, feeds on itself)…pretty soon the “Piper” is a madman. Twilight Zone.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:44 pm 47

“Inspiration” isn’t always “good inspiration”…


KayInMaine | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:44 pm 48
In response to LS @ 44

Religion is a beverage, LS. You didn’t know this? Yeah, yeah, every Sunday a portion of Americans go to a building with a steeple and drink the spew. See? ;-)


dakine01 | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:45 pm 49
In response to Millineryman @ 34

Actually, there’s a fourth – the President of the Christian, Disciples of Christ is giving a day-after speech at the National Prayer Service. She’ll be the first woman to do so and the DoC is one of the more liberal denominations.


KayInMaine | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:46 pm 50
In response to JohnDee @ 35

By the way JohnDee, if Warren does say, “Hitler was a misunderstood individual…”, his supporters will applaud across the nation, so in actuality, Barack putting Warren up there to say something like that is…………BRILLIANT.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:46 pm 51

BTW, I’m sure that whatever he says at the inauguration will be basically tiddlywinks and be forgotten as a slightly inspiring, though in the longview, a blip in the big picture. After that, we probably won’t hear about him for a long time.


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:49 pm 52

He’ll say…blah, blah, blah…Jesus loves you and me…blah, blah, blah…he’ll never mention Hitler in such a public venue at this point…and everybody will cheer and move on and forget about his sorry *ss.


Frank33 | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:49 pm 53

Lenin said “Give me one hundred committed manly men and we would be really macho and rock your world. Really, nearly!” Mao had a little red book and all the young people in the sixties who read it became redder. Just because they committed their memory to Chairman Mao they took the nation by storm and rocketed to number one on the charts.

What would happen if we put the sayings of Chairman Rick in a little red book. Rick, we are yours. Rick, we will serve you. Whatever it takes. I’m in. Rick, Whatever it takes to mash those moderately moderate moderates.


JohnDee | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:57 pm 54
In response to KayInMaine @ 50

I’m sorry, Kay, but I don’t buy it. Obama planting a big, wet, sloppy kiss on Warren’s fat ass by inviting him to speak at the Inaugural doesn’t strike me as “brilliant” so much as it just seems like the usual triangulating bullshit we’ve gotten from the Democrats for lo these many years now.

I wish it was otherwise, and I’ll be delighted to be proven wrong, but I doubt that I will be. Those of you specualting about Obama’s motivations here – particularly those who are inventing wilder and wilder scenarios as to how this is a super secret cunning plan to get the better of the reactionaries – are simply kidding yourselves.


bluebutterfly | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:57 pm 55

..this pastor who is nothing more than a Christian fascist in a Hawaiian shirt.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/39018


LS | Thursday January 15, 2009 04:58 pm 56

There is surely something to…don’t commit “idolatry”…don’t idolize any human that thinks that they have the answer to everything. Think for yourselves.


Lisa Derrick | Thursday January 15, 2009 05:28 pm 57
In response to demi @ 13

:::waves::: Demi, I think we all pretty much knew that Warren is a creepy theocratic dominionist–but it’s nice to see it spelled out in a very public way.


BargainCountertenor | Thursday January 15, 2009 05:58 pm 58

’twasn’t Kool-Aid that Jim Jones’ minions used at the People’s Temple. ’twas a Kool-Aid clone called Flavor-Aide.


newtonusr | Thursday January 15, 2009 06:22 pm 59

knock knock…
Mr. President-elect? Hello? Mr. President-elect?

and this isn’t just a difference of opinion – it’s a view into the workings of the speakers mind.


ThingsComeUndone | Thursday January 15, 2009 06:34 pm 60

The Rev thinks the Hitler Youth was a good idea? Just what does a Right Winger have to do to get kicked out of Obama’s House? Pee on the carpet?


cherish | Thursday January 15, 2009 07:17 pm 61

I’m enjoying a fantasy of Rahm Emanuel’s response to this news.


talesoftwokitties | Thursday January 15, 2009 07:40 pm 62
In response to JohnDee @ 54

Right on.


Teddy Partridge | Friday January 16, 2009 12:13 am 63
In response to cherish @ 61

sweet


colomom | Friday January 16, 2009 05:41 am 64

I can’t stand self proclaimed important people, in my mind, it’s the MEEK that will inherit the earth. What is so hard to understand?


Lisa Derrick | Friday January 16, 2009 06:32 am 65
In response to macaquerman @ 9

Oh you know about that, too? Actually they’re chewing on the hearts of freshly killed endangered species, but until I get the photos, the story has to wait.


Kassandra | Friday January 16, 2009 06:52 am 66

What Warren is really saying is “Look at how all these people who were wrong almost took over the world? If we people who are right did it, what a good change it would be!” He’s nuts, of course, but that’s what he thinks, I think.

I also noticed how very unhappy all those people were who were holding up those signs. all of them looked angry. Not very attractive to the sane. Jim Jones all over again fer sure.


Kassandra | Friday January 16, 2009 06:53 am 67

by the way, The Nazis WERE a Christian movement.


reader | Friday January 16, 2009 09:17 am 68

Kassandra: ding, ding, ding, ding. *shudder*


robspierre | Friday January 16, 2009 10:37 am 69

The Nazis were an ANTI-Christian movement that was prepared to accommodate the externals of Christian belief while it was convenient to do so. I don’t think that this Warren character is a Nazi–just a stupid blowhard–but he is also not what I would call a Christian either. Like the Nasties (to use Churchill’s phrase), he uses the externals of faith for political expediency, which makes him more of an idolator, with Caesar (redressed in red, white, and blue) and Mammon as his gods.

That said, I can’t get too upset by having the guy speak–I don’t really understand the motivation behind it, on either side, but I don’t see a danger. Part of the genius of liberalism is that it gives its enemies the podium. At an inauguration, on national TV, he either says what he’d say in his Saddleback cult center and exposes years of moral and intellectual bancruptcy to the guffaws of millions. Or he does what he is said to have done on the web site, shows himself a hypocrite, and introduces a huge breach within the ranks of the crypto-idolator, pseudo-Christian movement. Either way, it ought to have entertainment value. But swing the public discourse toward creationism and “marriage protection”? Not a chance.


KayInMaine | Friday January 16, 2009 05:47 pm 70
In response to JohnDee @ 54

It is brilliant, because Warren will be talking to his supporters from the stage and if he says that WE MUST UNITE WITH ALL PEOPLE then yes….he will have to live by his own words!

If you are a liberal and you listen to Warren’s words and then do a 180 in your beliefs, well then, Warren wins and you lose. I won’t be throwing away my beliefs just because Warren is speaking his. How many Evangelicals are pissed that Warren is speaking on behalf of a black man who supports civil unions and is pro-choice? I bet a lot! Remember this. The Evangelicals aren’t going to throw out all their beliefs just because Warren is speaking on this day.


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