Comments on: New Mexico’s Proposed Domestic Partnership Law Raises Issues

By: DBfromPNW

DBfromPNW — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:44:41 +0000

For everyone’s information. Civil Unions for LGBT couples have been found to be a disaster in New Jersey and there is a movement to change them to marriage.

Civil Unions work wonderfully in Europe where ‘church’ weddings are ceremonial and carry no legal significance. Everyone gets their legal papers from the state, and only the state.

In this country millions have marriages granted by clergy that are ‘technically’ civil unions, but called marriage. You don’t have to go to the state to get legal certification because the clergy grant the license. Thus there is no broad understanding of civil unions. Hoping to change that perception is like cursing the wind - emotionally useful but…

New Jersey found that LGBT people with Civil Unions were just as likely to be denied hospital visitation, survivors benefits, and other civil rights. The reason was people in positions of power did not know that Civil Unions granted those rights. LGBT couples had to sue - defeating the purpose. In Massachusetts there was no such problem. In each state fundamentalist Christianists objected with equal vigor.

Waste of effort to believe that Civil Unions are effective at the state level.

By: MrWhy

MrWhy — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:26:53 +0000

Excuse my ignorance, but is there any reason to confer special status on relationships which include children?

By: TheLurkingMod

TheLurkingMod — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:03:01 +0000

Eli is upstairs at the Mothership!
Wankers of the Month

By: lokywoky

lokywoky — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:50:45 +0000

Did you all hear about the parental rights case here in Montana? A lesbian couple had separated, and the birth mother of their two children took them and denied visitation from the partner. The birth mother is now in a hetero relationship and was denying visitation with the kids on the basis that the other woman was “a lesbian”. WTF!

Our great District Court Judge Molloy ordered an investigation into the kids - and then found for the non-birth mother that as far as the kids were concerned, she WAS their other parent and so she will have visitation rights. Yay! Hard fought battle - but the other woman is appealing.

This case was heartbreaking on so many levels. But a truly equal ‘marriage’ or whatever you choose to call it would have negated all these hard feelings and legal expense.

By: Elliott

Elliott — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:42:12 +0000

what is so weird, this strong objection comes from a bunch of people so uptight they hide behind holy underwears. it ain’t right.

By: Millineryman

Millineryman — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:36:06 +0000

It would be great to make it happen. I’m passing a copy around to people who I know will support the repeal but won’t be at the protest.

If 100,000 people get 10 friends and family to sign, it’s a million.

By: Teddy Partridge

Teddy Partridge — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:18:24 +0000

Wow — that’s exciting. A million signatures on Obama’s desk on Day One to repeal DOMA, as he promised to do.

By: Teddy Partridge

Teddy Partridge — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:16:15 +0000

Dugg Right Here!

By: Millineryman

Millineryman — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:22:14 +0000

Don’t forget

Nationwide DOMA Protest

They also have an Open Letter posted on the site with a TBD address to mail the signatures to. The goal is to gather 1 million signatures on Jan 10.

The letter is a pdf document with a signature page for those who may be inclined to participate.

By: Millineryman

Millineryman — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:16:05 +0000

Denying all civil rights to gay and lesbians is the goal of Mormons and the religious right. Why they have fought so hard to keep sexual orietnation out of discriminatory laws at state and federal levels is they don’t want gays and lesbians who are out and proud, to be acknowledged as having any legal rights to exist. That’s the ultimate goal.

I’m sure they would have no problem with outlawing the natural sexual orientation that define gays and lesbians.