Saddleback Site Removes Anti-Gay Statements, Warren Lies to Congregation.

saddleback1.jpgRick Warren lies to his congregation on his most recent video, and Saddleback Church’s website site has scrubbed some old fashioned dogma. Gadzooks, won’t their God be mad that Pastor Rick and his congregation aren’t standing steadfast in their beliefs, proclaiming them from the mountaintop?

Beliefnet.com has up on its site, dated December 21, 2008, an article entitled Saddleback: Homosexuals Not Welcome As Members, with a link to Saddleback’s What We Believe that included questions about dinosaurs, stem cells and homosexuality.

But now the list of questions is quite different–the dinosaurs are gone (fyi, Saddleback members were told man and dinosaurs roamed the earth together–uh oh), and so are those touchy issues about stem cells and Saddleback’s devisive, anti-gay sentiment:

…someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted at a member at Saddleback Church. 

These views have not been replace or revised, so maybe this is just a way to hide Pastor Rick’s true feelings and Saddleback’s fundamentalist belief system. But why would you want to hide your beliefs?

And in this video Pastor says lies that he never equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest. But Warren did make that unfavorable comparison did, saying "I do" when asked by Steve Waldman of Beliefnet if he felt his descriptions of

a brother and sister being together…an older guy marrying a child…one guy having multiple wives

were the equivalent of gay marriage

jesus-dinosaur.thumbnail.jpgOn his new video, along with trying to hornswoggle his congregation with snake oil, Mr Haney Pastor Rick also tells us bloggers we need to get a life.  Woooooo…*snap*

3 Responses to "Saddleback Site Removes Anti-Gay Statements, Warren Lies to Congregation."
cobernicus | Tuesday December 23, 2008 05:18 am 1

Lisa,

I’m sure Pastor Rick doesn’t believe he is lying. He just gave a “Cliff Clavin” answer. When he used incest, pedophilia, polygamy and same-sex marriage in the same sentence, he meant us to think, “What are four activities that do not correspond to the Biblical definition of marriage?,” not “What are four practices that I consider an abomination?

Of course, the Bible has instances of incest, pedophilia, polygamy and homosexuality, but the Pastor has edited those parts out, just as he edited the Church web page.


yellowdog jim | Tuesday December 23, 2008 07:40 am 2

Warren also has his own fundamentalist christian detractors.
Warren is selling his “Purpose Driven Life” program as the means of financial salvation for deteriorating church membership:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T…..riven_Life

What on Earth Am I Here For?
Purpose #1: You Were Planned for God’s Pleasure (Worship)
Purpose #2: You Were Formed for God’s Family (Fellowship)
Purpose #3: You Were Created to Become Like Christ (Discipleship)
Purpose #4: You Were Shaped for Serving God (Ministry)
Purpose #5: You Were Made for a Mission (Mission)
Each of these is meant to build on the previous – that is, Warren wants the reader to see that each purpose is sequential and foundational for the next step.

Criticisms

One complaint from a Lutheran perspective is that Warren fails to present the evangelical Christian gospel accurately–failing to accurately represent the nature of sin, repentance and hell, as well as the blood sacrifice of God’s son Jesus as the means to be forgiven by God for sins and which allows man to have a relationship with God.[5] Some critics accuse him of absolving his readers of moral responsibility by making Satan into an all-pervasive godlike figure contrary to both orthodox theology and psychological soundness,[6] and some contend that when citing Scripture, Warren jumps from one Bible version to another, cherry-picking whichever paraphrase or translation supports whatever point he attempts to convey.[7] The practice of using translations selectively is defended by others.[8] Yet another common complaint pertains to Warren’s statement that “Whenever God wanted to prepare someone for his purposes, he took forty days”[9]–a claim which critics affirm to be both overly broad and contradicted by Scripture.[10]

i feel like the lutherans may have something there.
and there is a ton of stuff about PDL creating adversarial confrontations in congregations all over the place:
http://www.moriel.org/articles…..egants.htm
http://www.lighthousetrailsres…..fromrw.htm
http://lighthousetrailsresearc…..1&c=1
http://www.religionnewsblog.co…..ongregants

http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1869

it would seem to these critics of Rick Warren that the Purpose that is being Driven for these churches is money:
How do they get more parishioners (to get more money) to keep their churches from going under?
these writers who are antagonistic to PDL make no never mind to me, i just cite them to show that there are Christians opposed to Rick Warrens’ Purpose Driven Life style.
Lots of them.

This dude makes friends all over the place.


reader | Tuesday December 23, 2008 12:18 pm 3

There are 4 ~ four!~ vidoes in Pastor Rick’s newsletter to his church members. Why do you need 4 videos to explain yourself? Wow. It’s all aobut him and he keeps on lying as if lying doesn’t matter. I really didn’t expect more from him ALREADY!

And just what part of his harangues are ”disagreeing without being disagreeable?” He’s disagreeable and doesn’t know it, I guess. He doesn’t have a clue in spite of Obama giving him this ”opportunity” as Biden described it last night on Larry King.


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