There are two ways of looking at outreach.
One is when you are certain the other side is just trying to pull you off-balance.
The other is when there is a genuine possibility of growth and understanding.
Some of us are pre-disposed to equality and realize that a marriage is composed of two commited people who love each other. Others need to see it for themselves.
My the family across the street is headed by two women.
No one who knows them, regardless of thir comfort levels about sexuality would dream of questioning the validity of the family.
I do not live in a generally preogressive neighborhood, but all the immediate neighbors know an love the family – there is no other option.
Exposure to the normalcy of a same sex headed family is the best argument one can make.

Bless Tammy Lynne, she misses the point.

On a small level, I think Obama’s move was smart: by Warren accepting the invitation to deliver the invocation, he totally legitimizes Obama as President for All Of Us, inc. the far-right evangelicals. I thus make the argument that actually, Obama pwned Warren.

Or I could be wrong. But Tammy Lynne still missed the point, dammit.

Lisa, you are nailing it: this is exactly what my gut was telling me could be happening when I read Juan Cole’s report. It made me sick.

Warren is a slimy manipulator and there are so many reasons why Melissa and Tammy are in an impossible situation here. He will lie to their faces and twist everything into pretzels. And they will believe him. He’s a toxic personality.

He ”loves” them but he thinks they are pedophiles. He’s just adding lies, he’s not recanting ANYTHING he has said. If he’s a garden variety abuser (like Bush) he thinks everything he is saying is true regardless of how many times he contradicts himself.

Love your new digs and the philosophy!

Hey, Steve: I’m hoping that’s the outcome too, but it sure is a very risky game. Obama’s putting part of his own rep on the line. Wow.

she misspelled yamulke either.

“Yarmulke” is the usual spelling.

Is it possible Tammy wrote the blog post tongue in cheek and will be going to Warren’s house with Melissa to give that man an ear full?

But he “loves” them enough to want to convert them into being non-practicing homosexuals make large contributions to his church.

Tammy seems to have a more Jesus-like attitude than Rick.

Or is it just me?

Kenosha Kid beat me to it.

Meanwhile, BBC reports that the Pope said today that opposing homosexual rights is as important to the future of humankind as protecting the rainforest. I wish I were kidding.

she sounds like a stepford wife. or a gullible, naive teenager.

whatever floats your boat.

(meaning melissa’s boat)

I am not a rev ricky fan- bout all I have to say on this topic after thirty threads or so.

Warren removes anti-gay statements from his website.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/…..y-website/

Warren to be keynote speaker at MLK commemortative service the day before inauguration.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/warren-mlk/

I guarantee you there are gay members of Saddleback church – but they are living a lie. It’s so sad that some people can be convinced that their attraction to the same sex is like a kind of addiction they can overcome – by turning to God and working the 12 steps.

So for sure there are gay “members” in Warren’s church. But just not “telling.”

Let them look in vain for the place where Jesus said: “The Kingdom of God is at hand… if you give up being gay.”

it’s a miracle!!!

Melissa has a post up at The Huffington Post for those who care to read it.

Sucker is a word that comes to my mind about what she says.

Hallelujah!

Until Rick makes a TV commercial denouncing his words before the passage of Prop8 and asking the CA Supreme Court to overturn it, it all means squat.

This same very covert “brain-washing” technique that has been used worldwide by these “missionary” folks to gain obedient submission.
A gradual alteration of humanity in favor of their psychotic dogma.
Worldwide the use of “Aunt Peach’s Bleaching Cream” and other bleaching creams was used to appear more like the “masters” of this biblical slavery scheme.

The Bible endorses Slavery among many other atrocities.
To enslave the populace you must take the human out of humanity.
Believe in yourselves before you accept the bipolar dogma of maniacs.

As a B and a Q , i think you’re right. However, church is a powerful leverage upon belief so I can understand why she’s gone off the deep end. It’s just going to whack her upside the head hard when she finds out that he only loves her because that’s the role that he gets to play.

That smarmy Christian condescension is why I fled the church long ago (although I’ve since realized that there’s plenty of the more enlightened types of Christians out there, also)

Shes confused as the Log Cabin Rs.
jo6pac

Is there a special word for a gay Uncle Tom?

well, like a commenter said at the link, this sure is giving warren a lot of sunlight. ihope.

wonder why lowery isn’t doing it. and if he ok’d it.
(here’s a diary i wrote about rev. lowery http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2512 am posting it for background info for people, not to blogwhore)

this announcement is beyond bizarre, even more so in light of what is in this great article that was in the post you linked.
http://www.atlantaprogressiven…../0416.html

so many nuances to this whole thing.

here is just one pertinent area that i am having a hard time digesting:

It is ironic that in fact, the first King memorial march, which took place in Memphis, Tennessee, the day after King was assassinated, was co-organized by his friend and advisor, Bayard Rustin, who was openly homosexual.

As previously reported by APN, Rev. James Orange, who passed away earlier this year, had been the annual organizer of the King March taking place on his birthday each January.

Rev. Orange ensured that march–which was one part of an annual series of events preceding King’s birthday–continued to have an activist focus.

“He [Orange] was doing it under the MLK Center for Nonviolent Social Change. About 10 years ago, the King Center decided they no longer wanted to sponsor the march,” State Rep. Tyrone Brooks told APN in an interview for Rev. Orange’s obituary.

“That’s when he decided he would just organize a committee of activists and he would continue to sponsor the march. He didn’t tell me that they ever gave him a reason,” Brooks said. “I said, we don’t need the King Center to do the march, we can do it.”

Today, the march is completely separate from the King Center events.

Orange founded the M.L. King Jr. March Committee-Africa/African American Renaissance Committee, Inc., in 1995. He and Rev. Joseph Lowery registered the organization with the State of Georgia in 2001.

unbelievable. there’s a lot of grave rolling-over and hell-freezing-over going on right now.

Amen!!

hmmmmmmmmm…

My apologies if this has been previously mentioned, but I got an email from Courage Campaign today that said that “Ken Starr had filed a legal brief–on behalf of the ‘Yes on 8′ campaign–to nullify the 18,000 same-sex marriages performed in California between May and November of 2008.” Has anyone else any information about this?

If true, this makes me so mad my hair hurts.

Aunt Mary would work.

If true, this makes me so mad my hair hurts.

True, but they way the law was written by Jerry’s kids it will get thrown out. It wll take a few months or less.
jo6pac

I wish, I read the rest of her blog — there’s a couple hours of my life I’d like to have back.

She is just so wrong on so many counts it’s mind boggling.

Her overall premise is that since “marriage” is a term with religious connotations, we should just let the religious people have it. I guess there are no gay people of faith.

Personally though, I’m getting most tired seeing her referred to as Etheridge’s “wife” — they didn’t get married. They had the chance, like the rest of us, they chose not to get married. And now they paint themselves as martyrs, as spokespeople for gay married folk?

I don’t think so.

Besides, my marriage–my dignity–is worth more than hug and autography request from some adoring fan.

Here’s Melissa chiming in: http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/…..ut-warren/

which has a link to her post on HuffPo about Warren–very kumbaya…

Melissa Etheridge makes some pretty heavy proclamations about warring for peace with the opposition. Very Sufist, which, I think Mz. Etheridge is?

I’m tending to give her words a chance given her status as a celeb LGBT member.

I realize she don’t speak for her wife, or any other LGBT’s, but, as an A in the equation her words strike me as incredibly insightful. I’m pretty sure if I was one for the LGBT’s, I would not have her insights or proclivity to think as she does.

She’s a better human than I (me being gay or not) for having done so.

Perhaps in her own way, it’s the hating of the sin (prejudice) , not the sinner (Warren)? Irony, it cuts all ways, don’t it.

I came in to say that.

kumbaya, schumbaya.
i dream of having the LGBTQ+A folks supporting the LGBTQ+A folks.
Human Right Campaign calls me up:
I say, “Sorry, y’all support Republicans. I ma a Democrat. Bye.”

oops.
“Humans Rights Campaign”
at least.

Intellectually vapid trophy wives — not just for straights anymore. :)